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2014-05-29

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harikt Good day to all14:12
joelclermont hi harikt14:15
harikt Hey joelclermont14:15
I was about to leave the other day and wasn't able to talk to you.14:16
Sorry if I disturbed, but just wanted to say Hi14:16
joelclermont no problem at all. it’s good to hear from you14:16
harikt and I hope after your holidays you are back in full swing14:16
joelclermont i am mostly caught up, yes!14:18
i never plan any work the week i come back from a trip. i know enough work will generate on its own while i’m away :)14:18
harikt :)14:19
dragonmantank, I noticed your orm work with aura/sql14:19
is there no relationship ?14:20
dragonmantank Casket?14:20
harikt yes14:20
dragonmantank I haven't built the auto-relationship stuff yet, so right now it's mostly a way to persist objects to the DB directly14:21
the old version of the library had all that there14:21
harikt ok.14:21
was searching something for aura and came to the repo.14:22
dragonmantank Right now for relations I attach a closure to a member in the entity when the Repo converts the DB result to an object, but it's a manual process14:22
heh. I'm fairly certain I'm the only person who uses it :P But I use it a lot in my Silex projects14:23
harikt probably you should start using aura-web-project then ;)14:23
I know many of the packages need to be worked on.14:24
I mean authentication etc when you have everything already.14:24
dragonmantank I tried a while ago, but didn't really get very far into it (partly because of time, and confusion since I hadn't used Aura much yet).14:25
harikt no issues. I was just mentioning.14:25
dragonmantank I do use Aura.CLI quite a bit for CLI stuff now though. I need to finish working on my Aura-based React router14:26
harikt react router ?14:27
you mean reactphp ?14:27
dragonmantank yeah14:27
the API interface for our deployment at work uses ReactPHP, and I wanted to use Aura as a router for requests14:28
harikt ok. I haven't used much reactphp.14:28
good to know react 's use case.14:29
dragonmantank I've only used it a bit. A bit crashy, but it works for what we need it for. I wanted something I could spin up on a box to accept deploy requests without having to set up a real web server14:29
harikt deployment sounds to be a task to me .14:31
http://taskphp.github.io/14:31
dragonmantank We're using phing for task running. So the request comes in from Bitbucket via a POST request, our ReactPHP script accepts it, and fires off our deploy app, which fires phing.14:35
harikt ok, good to hear.14:35
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harikt Good day pmjones :)14:44
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pmjones hey there harikt !14:50
getting a very short blog post ready14:50
harikt pmjones, oh nice to know / and on ?14:51
pmjones view 2.0beta214:51
like i said, very very short14:51
harikt :) , less excitement.. thought ADR :D14:51
pmjones oh heh14:51
no i'm still taking feedback on that, especially on the pattern comparisons14:52
it's only been what, a month since the first blog post? if that.14:52
harikt not sure when.14:52
yes may be around a month or so.14:52
pmjones, are you still thinking about other options other than ADR14:53
pmjones i'm still refining the idea14:53
i am pretty sure it has validity but i want to make sure i'm not fooling myself14:54
harikt he he :)14:54
pmjones for the record, i have submitted a talk on it (and other things) to ZendCon, and elsewhere14:54
harikt fooling yourself , nice wording.14:54
oh nice :)14:54
pmjones heh, thanks -- that's from Richard Feynman iirc14:54
anyway, that should show i have confidence in the idea ;-)14:55
harikt I am sure they will select your talk.14:55
if not I will call .... ;)14:55
pmjones ha! hope they accept yours too15:03
it will be good to finally meet up15:03
joelclermont harikt: you are going to be at zendcon this year?15:04
harikt joelclermont, not sure. I have submitted one though.15:09
I could not afford a lot of travel and hotel expenses.15:09
Let us see how things go though.15:09
joelclermont i hope you get accepted too!15:09
harikt if you don't see me this year, don't worry. I will be there once :)15:10
by the way pmjones we did the release of aura/view beta2 days back :)15:11
pmjones yeah :-)15:11
http://auraphp.com/blog/2014/05/29/view-2beta2/15:11
harikt :)15:13
Thanks Paul.15:13
pmjones, any thoughts how you move / plan to keep the css / images for aura packages15:14
something like we did earlier for aura system via the Asset controller .15:14
pmjones nods15:14
pmjones it would be something like that, yes15:15
harikt pmjones, I did send you something,15:19
some days back. not sure what you think though.15:19
pmjones on what subject?15:19
harikt are you planning to create a basic package that can be used for the assets15:20
pmjones i have no plan just yet15:20
it seems like the kind of thing that would be a bundle15:20
harikt yes, bundle.15:20
pmjones although one wonders if something like assetic could be useful15:21
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harikt pmjones, that sounds a usage of assetic helper15:24
to make it clear : assetic inside aura view helper .15:25
pmjones nods15:25
pmjones agh -- the dependencies :-/ https://github.com/kriswallsmith/assetic/blob/master/composer.json15:26
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pmjones well, it'd be a bundle anyway15:27
as i look at assetic i can see how it might be broken up into a main package and support packages15:32
pmjones shakes head15:32
pmjones whatever15:32
simensen pmjones: right?15:32
everyone wants to have assetic added to sculpin. i'd rather just pull it out piece by piece.15:32
pmjones simensen: i have to keep reminding myself that not many people are obsessed with decoupling in that way15:33
simensen (everyone is going overboard)15:33
they aren't. :(15:33
i'm sorta building my business on that being "my thing"15:33
pmjones simensen: one part of me wants to rebuild it as an example15:33
that's the part of me that ignores the limits of time and other resources ;-)15:34
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simensen yeah, it is a fine line to walk.15:34
pmjones heh15:34
simensen i recently started working on a project that would probably take a month or two full time to do right15:34
i ended up having to slap it together in 4 hours one night because the business demanded it be ready the next day15:34
pmjones sighs15:34
pmjones tradeoffs, tradeoffs15:35
if you never have to come back to it, maybe that's all right15:35
but i always end up coming back to stuff :-/15:35
simensen well, it is my startup, so i'll definitely be coming back to it. :)15:36
pmjones and there you have it15:36
simensen: oh god does twig really still use functions for its helpers?15:37
simensen i can build the architecture to meet the "get it done" crap code. the funny thing was i had just been thinking on my obsessive/overengineering attitude the day before15:37
pmjones sweet jesus https://github.com/kriswallsmith/assetic/blob/master/src/functions.php#L9515:37
pmjones closes the window15:37
pmjones simensen: man, i get you15:37
simensen and i thought, "i know this could be done in a day. i know people who could get it done in a day. am i doing this wrong?"15:37
pmjones nods15:38
pmjones you are doing it wrong if your primary goal is "business value now"15:38
you are not doing it wrong if your primary goal is "build things that won't bite you later"15:38
tradeoffs, tradeoffs15:38
s/bite you/bite you or others/15:38
simensen there are many ways you can do twig extensions.15:38
pmjones wipes brow15:39
pmjones good to know15:39
simensen there is TwigFunction that wraps a callable or a function or something15:39
new Twig_Function_Function('strtoupper')15:40
so i imagine what assetic is doing is basically creating a bunch of those and managing the functions in that one big file rather than doing them inline for whatever reason.15:40
new Twig_Function_Function('assetic_stylesheets')15:41
It is possible that if Kris were to write this today he would do it differently. :)15:41
i certainly would15:41
pmjones "It is possible that if Kris were to write this today he would do it differently. :)" -- i would be surprised if it were otherwise15:44
simensen pmjones: you went through the amy hoy stuff, right? which other resources/people do you follow for other things like it?15:45
pmjones i did go through it, although i have not honored the class fully in my actions15:46
as for "other things", none15:46
i hhhhhate the sales and marketing aspects of my work15:46
it was such a blessing to have all that broken down for me by that class15:46
joelclermont pmjones: i have the same reservations15:46
amystephen is that a global in assetic?16:18
pmjones amystephen: yeah :-/16:23
amystephen they are just too handy.16:23
pmjones i mean, i get why it's there, but *man* that's not what i like to see16:23
amystephen no16:24
pmjones "handy" -- or "quicker/easier/more seductive"16:24
amystephen lazy/handy.16:24
pmjones nods16:24
pmjones although i hesitate to call the author "lazy" given all the other work involved16:25
amystephen he has no idea what environment it will be dropped into and how they manage data16:25
i get it.16:25
lazy is a bad word, not ideal but useful to get the job done16:26
pmjones yeah -- like i said, quicker/easier/more seductive16:28
simensen pmjones: the really awesome thing is when twig extensions have to know about a request. :-/17:05
joelclermont: you went through amy hoy's thing too, right?17:05
pmjones facepalm17:06
pmjones simensen: if i have a recommendation about it, it is *not* to get the extras17:06
simensen joelclermont: how is your "Learning how to learn" thing going?17:06
pmjones the class itself was plenty for me, and i did not use the "extra time with the teachers" part that i paid for17:06
simensen i've bought into some of brennan dunn's stuff. i havent' actually paid for anything from amy yet.17:07
i haven't gone too far into the "extras"17:07
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joelclermont simensen: yes, i took 30x500 in Winter 201217:53
i got distracted with consulting though, renewed my interest earlier this year17:53
simensen joelclermont: what is your consulting business? link or just your personal site?17:54
joelclermont i have about 60% of a book written, but i’m still struggling with making time. i have the time, but at this point i still really like consulting. my own fault :)17:54
I called it No Compromises, LLC :)17:54
no site for it, heh17:54
basically when i sold my last consulting biz and went out on my own, i got a whole lot more picky about the types of clients i’ll work with and the types of projects i’ll take17:55
cordoval good morning guyz! /o/17:55
\o\17:55
joelclermont if the client doesn’t care about proper testing, documentation, they don’t trust me to work efficiently (insisting on fixed cost bids), then i’m not a good fit :)17:55
cordoval which book joelclermont?17:55
joelclermont i’m writing a book on how to learn effectively, aimed primarily at software developers trying to learn technology17:56
cordoval oh17:56
joelclermont i discuss the concept in a bit more depth here http://joelclermont.com/2014/01/26/learning-how-to-learn-the-newsletter/17:56
cordoval i need that stuff badly17:56
joelclermont right now, i’m slowly trickling out my research notes as a newsletter17:56
quick tips, links to more information, etc17:57
cordoval basically that is what PhD programs should be about17:57
joelclermont the book is more goal oriented17:57
cordoval i always had that in mind17:57
when going to school for PhD :)17:57
joelclermont yeah, it’s something everyone should spend some time learning about for sure17:57
cordoval if you learn how to learn then you are on good shape17:57
joelclermont exactly!17:57
cordoval i will read it tonight17:57
thanks17:57
simensen: i just had a brilliant idea18:03
i will make my wife call me with her laptop downstairs via skype18:03
simensen cordoval: oh?18:03
cordoval to my laptop in the second storey18:03
i turned skype by default on her laptop18:04
so she can see me and i can see her at all times green18:04
isn't that cool?18:04
simensen ah :)18:04
if you don't find it too distracting. :)18:04
cordoval no more come down for supper yelling18:04
simensen hahaha18:04
cordoval well i have to eat, sometimes yelling does not work with me18:04
but a skype call always work18:04
to cut off and eat sane food18:04
:)18:04
simensen joelclermont: did you see i started a podcast?18:05
cordoval i love simensen's podcasts18:05
i am looking forward to the second one18:06
and with invitees18:06
simensen heee. we shall see. :)18:06
i found a few more podcasts to tune into recently. amystephen suggested http://www.motherboardpodcast.com/ and then there is http://bootstrapped.fm/ and http://threedevsandamaybe.com/ ... amy, had you heard of these other two?18:08
cordoval are those php ones?18:08
also amystephen are you going to be in drupalcon?18:08
i know we have a schism with this python PR about genre but other than that we are cool ^_^ i hope18:08
amystephen yea - those are good - listening to bootstrapped right now18:09
cordoval oh going to click on them thn18:09
amystephen listened to the 3 devs thing this morning18:09
no - not going to be a drupalcon :(18:09
cordoval :(18:09
simensen i subscribed this morning and will try to listen to some of both on the way home tonight18:09
joelclermont simensen: no, i was offline about 2 weeks. link?18:09
cordoval i like how Davedevelopment is so organized18:10
simensen joelclermont: http://thatpodcast.io/18:10
amystephen the 3 devs one was another new one, i think - seems like a bunch - which is good, i need listening material18:10
simensen joelclermont: remember when i asked you about who was in charge of That Conference? :)18:10
joelclermont oh yeah18:10
wanted to clear the name?18:10
simensen we wanted to make sure we weren't going to be stepping on their toes.18:10
joelclermont they got sued by thatcamp the first year too, heh18:10
it’s a pretty generic name :)18:10
simensen no, you gave me info. i already talked to him about it and is all good :)18:10
joelclermont excellent18:11
added to my list in itunes, thanks18:11
simensen our little cover photo isn't showing up in the itunes store yet. :-/ apple stuff is so weird and crusty sometimes. hard to know if it is a "wait and see" sort of problem or "need to fix it" sort of problem.. no logging, no debugging, nothing.18:11
cordoval i think we have made aura our lobby room18:13
pmjones: i will try to finish the PR just have to finish my slides first18:14
thanks for the retweets on http://www.craftitonline.com/2014/05/drupal8-x-and-symfonyaura-the-importance-of-testing-and-decoupling-part-vii-series/18:14
pmjones cordoval: i like that it's the lobby room :-)18:14
cordoval: no hurry on the PR18:14
cordoval i know, but harikt is a tough manager ^_^18:15
pmjones cordoval: and totally welcome on the retweet -- i think you make very good points about decoupling18:15
cordoval i will let him fire me :D18:15
pmjones yes harikt has had to keep me in line for a long time now so has a lot of practice ;-)18:15
cordoval ho ho ho18:15
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harikt Hey I am early to be here :)22:18
pmjones I was disconnected from the internet and was unable to connect back when we were talking about assetic22:18
catch you later some other time / day on it.22:18
simensen hi harikt :)22:20
how are you doing harikt?22:48
harikt simensen, I am doing good man.23:03
Just noticed your message.23:03
not sure I was late to reply :(23:04
simensen, Just noticed I was late to reply. added timestamp .23:05
simensen is ok :)23:05
harikt I was just looking something , browsing blind in twitter23:06
looking at https://github.com/blongden/hal23:06
simensen ah, cool. neat project. haven't been able to use it yet.23:06
harikt Just happened to be there.23:06
Have not used myself. need to play a bit23:06
simensen i'm still working on a big diagram. :)23:09
want to talk in skype or #dflydev?23:09
harikt simensen, ok will get there.23:10
simensen if you have a minute? i need to try and get this done before my ug ... i should leave for that in 20-30 minutes23:10
harikt ug ?23:10
simensen user group23:11
madisonphp.com is tonight23:11
harikt aah :)23:11
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