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rstrz hi, i have a question about the idea of GPG signing via either PGP versus SSH? I know that it recently got updated in Git to allow commits and tags to be signed with SSH. is this mostly an accessiblity thing? because PGP is difficult? or is there a better reason?05:42
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rstrz I've used PGP for years and now with SSH support I'm wondering if it makes sense to use SSH going forward and have PGP there for my older commits05:43
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smol-hors https://bpa.st/G5WQ <- but that's impossible since it's only me on this one machine working on it09:27
wtf09:27
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smol-hors there should be nothing to pull09:28
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smol-hors https://bpa.st/EZPQ09:30
what the....09:30
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smol-hors and have 3 and 2 different commits each, respectively.09:31
🤔09:31
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smol-hors hmm09:34
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smol-hors I do have another clone in ~, maybe I pushed from that inadvertently09:34
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gsi is version v2.38.2 out, topic needs an update?10:42
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ikke Apparently just released10:45
.version10:45
gitinfo changed the topic to: Welcome to #git, we like graphs | Current stable version: 2.38.2 | First visit? https://gitirc.eu | This channel is logged: https://gitirc.eu/log10:45
gsi yes, happen to routinely update a few clones without thinking much, wasn't there yesterday, showed up today :)10:47
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ikke 5am utc10:50
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ultramage hi, git newb trying to figure out git sparse-checkout. I cloned freebsd's ports repo, then did 'sparse-checkout init', then 'spare-sheckout set'. The patterns are /* and !/*/, just as the documentation describes. This is supposed to include all files in the root dir, but when I do the checkout, none of the files are present.13:35
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p2plife how to make sure git will use tor for certain repos?14:25
could just use "torify git" but one can forget, and also it could be that some remotes should use tor other should not14:26
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ikke p2plife: how would anything make sure it uses tor?14:42
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p2plife ikke: if URL ends in .onion then git would invoke "torify git" (or use socks proxy if it can)14:47
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ikke p2plife: you can set http.proxy on a repo level to make it use a proxy, I think that supports socks proxies as well15:05
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ikke but that only works of repositories using http(s)15:06
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gsi p2plife: man git-config and there search for "proxy", the doc talks about running a command instead of establishing a direct connection15:12
gitinfo p2plife: the git-config manpage is available at https://gitirc.eu/git-config.html15:12
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yolo after git-clone i want to check status for all (remote) branches, is there a dashboard like command that show me status like active branches, which branch had how many commits recently stuff? does such tool exist15:42
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no_gravity I sometimes wish there was a way to have groups of commits in git. To keep track of which commits belong to a feature.17:25
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nedbat no_gravity: the commit message can help, or put the details in your changelog if you think people will want to find those grouped.17:26
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bookworm that exists, it's called a branch17:26
no_gravity nedbat: A commit message like "This commit and the last 3 together are the new feature X"?17:27
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no_gravity bookworm: You keep old branches around forever?17:27
bookworm branch + merge (real merge, not ff)17:27
nedbat no_gravity: no, like: "feature X: first steps", "feature X: tests", etc.17:27
no_gravity bookworm: I hate merge commits.17:27
nedbat: I see.17:27
bookworm why?17:27
cbreak no_gravity: git merge --no-ff17:28
bookworm chances are you hate them because you don't know how to navigate them, but that can be fixed17:28
cbreak that will group commits17:28
and if you look at history with git log --first-parent17:28
nedbat cbreak: you are suggesting the same thing as bookworm, no?17:29
cbreak nedbat: I suggested the best solution :)17:29
nedbat cbreak: i'm just trying to understand if it;s the same or not17:29
bookworm it is17:30
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bookworm not sure why they felt they need to repeat it either17:30
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no_gravity bookworm: So do you keep old branches around or delete them?17:32
bookworm delete them, I have a merge commit that identifies them17:33
no_gravity bookworm: Ok, that might be feasible.17:33
nedbat no_gravity: i think the best answer depends on who is trying to determine the set of commits, and why.17:33
there's no guarantee that the set you're looking for is contiguous, or all on one branch, or even that one branch consists only of that feature.17:34
no_gravity Does a merge commit contain any information except how mand commits it merged and the commit message?17:34
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no_gravity s/how mand/how many17:34
bookworm it tracks parents + message + author/date/signature etc17:35
no_gravity bookworm: "parents"?17:35
bookworm it doesn't track how many commits17:35
yes17:35
side A, side B, side N...17:35
you can do octopus merges17:35
not that you should17:35
no_gravity That is way beyond my paygrade.17:35
bookworm common is two17:35
no_gravity But I'll consider merge commits.17:35
bookworm the branch that you are on (master) plus the branch you merged in (feature)17:36
no_gravity An alternative is to squeeze multiple commits into a "feature commit".17:36
tomhg yolo: I am not profecient and just googled, because I liked your question. Take a look at `git rev-list` as well as `git shortlog`.17:36
bookworm that's horrible17:36
you loose the commit messages per code change17:36
no_gravity bookworm: True17:36
bookworm and that tends to contain reasonings and such17:36
no_gravity Yeah17:36
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tomhg uses merge --squash to hide that he can not push multiple smaller commits who arent interdependent17:38
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no_gravity tomhg: Why not?17:38
tomhg because I find it hard. I started to elect every chunk on its own and write a decent commit message. But sometimes a line of code, which will be a dedicated commit, is contained in such a chunk. And this means that You can not checkout the upcoming commit and run it as a working state. You have to refer to the actual squashed merge *shrugs*17:39
no_gravity tomhg: I would not commit states of the code that do not work.17:40
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no_gravity tomhg: In that situation, I commit first with "... WIP" and then later "git commit --amend" and remove the "WIP".17:41
bookworm I would, but then rebase to fix17:41
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bookworm revase -i is neat for reordering and such17:42
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tomhg I already asked it, but: I can not rebase my feature branch, once parts of it are pushed, apparently. What would you suggest to clean this branch such that rebaseing can be done on all local commits unpushed?17:44
nedbat tomhg: why can't you push it after a rebase?17:44
tomhg Because I would rewrite history. Even though nobody depends upon, I feel like that's just wrong.17:45
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tomhg I just should switch jobs and become a real developer, I guess.17:46
EdFletcher it's not, rewriting history is one of the most powerful features of git. if you're doing it on a branch that isn't shared, there's nothing wrong at all17:46
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tomhg starts rebasing17:52
tomhg :)17:52
ultramage Could anyone advise me on why my newly created sparse checkout is not including the files in the root directory? The documentation says they should be included by default, so I have no idea what's wrong. Subdirectories get included just fine.17:52
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yolo tomhg: thanks, the whole magic is 'git log', plus some 'git summary' and 'git show-tree', could be folded into something 'git dash' but existing ones are ok for me now17:59
try this: git log --all --decorate --graph --abbrev-commit --format=format:'%C(bold blue)%h%C(reset)%C(bold blue)(%as)%C(reset)%C(bold red)%d%C(reset) - %C(white)%s%C(reset)'17:59
or just: git log --all --decorate --oneline --graph17:59
or just you gitk if you're a GUI kind, which i'm not18:00
/s/you/use/18:00
tomhg yolo: thank you for sharing.18:02
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tomhg EdFletcher: I successfully rebased. It automatically put me back where I left off! Time teach me more, I suppose. Thank you18:05
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EdFletcher tomhg: right on! time indeed will teach you more, in fact that's exactly how I learned rebase. doing so expands your understanding of how git works too, so it's a double win! I hope you stick with it, it's _such_ a powerful personal workflow: i couldn't go back now. here's a great overview of the differences:18:08
https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/merging-vs-rebasing18:08
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tomhg EdFletcher: :)) This time I understood the content below "the golden rule". Though, I am still unclear about "Integrating an Approved Feature". When the feature is finished, I can either rebase onto master, or merge the feature onto master. I can not judge what's better, but having the branches point to master attracts me for some reason (by gut).18:30
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EdFletcher tomhg: that's mainly a choice your org will make together depending on how they want the history of the main branch to appear, but yeah most orgs I've been a part of prefer to merge into main because it tracks the parentage whereas rebasing does not (it creates a linear history, losing information on the parent branch) -- so rebase is generally18:32
more often used as a key part of the personal development workflow18:32
i personally am _always_ rebasing my work-in-progress branches onto their parent so that when I go to have that branch reviewed + merged, it is up-to-date and i know it'll merge cleanly. but even then, our org uses merge for the final integration of branches back onto main, not rebase18:33
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tomhg Appreciate the mentoring. I will rebase prior to the merge commit on master as well!18:34
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EdFletcher awesome, really glad i was able to help, you're more than welcome!18:35
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ultramage When I checked https://www.git-scm.com/docs/git-sparse-checkout the internals section clearly says in multiple places that the checkout will contain 'all files in the toplevel-directory'. I'm not sure what the deal is. I cloned the repository with just 'git clone ... .git', no fancy options, so I assume the files are in there (can I check somehow?)20:01
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gsi ahem, what? you specified the .git directory to be where the output should go? then I'd suggest you look _there_20:03
it's the directory which gets created, and the clone put there, which has (yet another) .git directory then20:03
unless I read your quoted command wrong, that is20:04
ultramage no, as in I took the url from their repository web viewer, it started with https and ended with .git, so it wasn't some special subdirectory path, I just cloned the whole thing at the root20:04
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ultramage I tried confirming that the whole repo structure is included, but I couldn't find the right command to browse the cloned data in the .git subdirectory20:06
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ultramage oh. yea. right. it is there. early on I tried doing a full checkout, before I made it sparse, and the files in the root directory did come out. so they are there. but for some reason they're getting excluded even in the most basic initial sparse checkout20:08
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ultramage the documentation marks this command as experimental, but I can't imagine that it would be broken to such a basic and obvious degree20:11
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rewt ultramage, without giving the exact commands you used, there's no way to tell where the problem is20:58
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McE is #gitlab about git ? if so ..., the fact that git is https SSL, is a problem to some using older software ....21:22
and why does git have to be SSL at all ? does that make any sense ?21:22
on some distros git download in cli dont work with newer SSL-protocols...21:22
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BtbN git is typically used via https or ssh these days, yes21:27
Using it unencrypted is as bad of an idea as doing anything else online unencrypted21:27
What kind of system is too weak for either of those? oO21:28
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ultramage git has an environment variable to ignore certificate errors, if that's whar's causing the incompatibility21:31
McE why break it , if it is not broken ?21:32
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BtbN What is breaking what?21:34
plain text protocols are inherently unsafe21:34
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McE corona is unsafe ..21:34
stop bullying ..21:34
it works...21:34
thats it ..21:35
BtbN You are not making a whole lot of sense21:35
git hosters, and typically their users as well, don't like sending credentials around in plain text for everyone to see, or data for everyone to manipulate21:35
You are about 10 years behind if you still want non-tls communication21:35
McE hmm..,21:35
BtbN probably more21:36
ikke BtbN: they are most likely complaining about disabled cipher suites and ohters21:37
or tls <= 1.121:37
BtbN "why does git have to be SSL at all" sounds different to me21:38
McE it was SSL and the like changes .., that made be fall back a lot more than would have been otherwise .. , ikke got it .. SSL/TLS >v1.1 , broke so much for me .., like wget and other software ..., like git , too ...21:39
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ikke McE: the world moves on, it does not remain static21:41
software gets updated21:41
vulnerabilities get found21:41
McE ikke , it moves .., but it should stay backwards compatible ...21:41
ikke that's not always possible21:42
McE not forcing "upgrade or die" ....21:42
ikke upgrade or be owned21:42
BtbN If TLS >1.1 broke stuff for you in 2022, you are in desperate need of system updates21:42
TLS 1.1 and prior is seriously broken, and rightfully being phased out of existence21:43
ultramage rewt: https://pastebin.com/DJBaKTKB - I tried redoing it from scratch based on some web instructions. This platform filename conflict keeps reappearing.21:43
McE BtbN: it broke things .., back then ..., until now ..., not just in 2022 ...21:43
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BtbN It did not break things when it was initially introduces. Since it was fully backwards compatible back then21:44
it's only since a couple years that TLS 1.1 is getting blocked. And who didn't manage to use the 10 or so years they were given to update, now gets to feel their terrible update policy21:44
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BtbN Like, seriously. If you run into issues with TLS 1.2 in 2022, you did not make critical updates ten years ago. I can't really put into words HOW bad that is.21:45
McE update on corona policy ? is my personal business ..., the software industry shouldnt bother to much ...21:46
ultramage windows vista doesn't have tls 1.2. For a specific case, I added a socat https forwarder (an openssl-based https proxy would also do)21:46
if you can't shove in a source build of latest openssl and whatever else would need recompiling/updating to support the protocol, then proxying is an alternative21:48
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BtbN You got bigger issues anyway if you still have Vista around21:52
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BtbN No idea why you keep going on about corona. TLS does not help with that sadly. Just makes me think you're a troll.21:53
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ultramage oh. I resolved my issue. That reserved filename conflict was silently aborting the git checkout operation, and git's programming isn't thorough enough to report that crucial fact21:56
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BtbN git can only return the error it gets from the OS22:00
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ultramage it is reporting individual errors regarding paths - that it's not even supposed to be touching since they're excluded - yet seemingly it keeps going. However, at some point it aborts the checkout process, leaving it partially finished, but not printing a message saying that it aborted.22:03
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