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	2013-07-18
nomadz	i dont see any attempts in oscam.log	00:08
	except the initial connect	00:08
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lja_	wait, so you are using oscam?	00:29
	do you have any open channel to test?	00:29
nomadz	only 1 channel and it doesnt map either	00:36
	i'm running oscam in debug mode now and don't ever see a request	00:37
	well, last try before sleep :)	00:37
	hot day tomorrow, lots of sun, i intend to be outside drinking beer instead of doing work indoors	00:39
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lja_	using cwc or capmt?	00:45
nomadz	cwc	00:47
	3.3.461~g0fd2aaf-dirty worked for me, so i am trying to find it in github and look at the changes after	00:49
	not that i can find it..	00:50
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lja_	linuxstb: IIRC you don't use the IR receiver in your tbs6981, but if you do I've push a major fix in my github	01:00
	nomadz: did you try to start from scratch?	01:01
	scan -> map just the open channel	01:01
	It seems to me that it is nothing but a config problem	01:01
nomadz	yes, i started over, deleted everything	01:02
lja_	I wouldn't go to the scrambled channels until I could see the open one	01:02
nomadz	since the open one gives the same error i assume it has nothing to do with scrambling/oscam	01:03
	3.3.461~g0fd2aaf-dirty is from 6 feb :)	01:04
	i dont have IR, and what is a tbs6981? :)	01:05
mpmc	nomadz: A great sat tuner from TBS China provided you don't use their drivers :p	01:06
nomadz	no i use sundtek dvb-c	01:06
	from germany	01:06
mpmc	nomadz: You asked what a TBS6981 was :p	01:07
nomadz	o lja_ wasn't talking to me about the tbs6981	01:07
	im getting tired	01:08
lja_	hehe	01:08
	me too, going to bed	01:08
nomadz	goodnight :)	01:08
	my "working" version is from 6 feb, now i need to find out how to get the source from 6 march, 6 april etc until it doesnt work anymore ;p	01:10
	something for tomorrow or the day after	01:10
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miketacker	hi everyone	07:19
	i can see that tvh is using two tuners to zapp fast	07:19
	is it posible that i can define 4-8 tuners for that?	07:20
	not only 2 tuners	07:20
MrE	I think you need to zap pretty fast and have a pretty slow source if 2 is not enough	07:22
miketacker	right	07:22
MrE	Doubt that tvheadend is made for more than 2, its not so common having so manny tuners :)	07:23
miketacker	MrE, i think i just need to modify the tuner selection from two to 4 with my 8 tuners	07:29
	:-)	07:29
	the question is where i do that	07:29
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MrE	Look through the source code in src/dvb should be there..	07:38
miketacker	can you be more specific?	07:40
linuxstb	There's no tuner limit in tvh as far as I know. I have a server with 7 tuners for example.	07:43
	And I don't think that in general more tuners give you faster zapping times.	07:43
MrE	Ive got one with 8 tuners aswell, dvb-c though, aint got no need for more tuners to speed up sapping	07:43
	zapping*	07:43
linuxstb	miketacker: Why do you think tvh is using two tuners to zap fast?	07:44
miketacker	my problem is that sometimes the clients i am using get no signal	07:44
	because tvheadend was not able to tune on that particular channel	07:45
	i am using a own generated playlist	07:45
	without client ids	07:45
	#EXTINF:0,3+	07:45
	http://192.168.1.18:9981/stream/channelid/128?mux=pass	07:45
	and so on	07:46
MrE	HTTP subscriptions require that you can tune the channels within 3 seconds	07:46
miketacker	yeah, can i go up with this time?	07:46
	because it takes sometimes longer	07:47
	like 4-5 seconds	07:47
MrE	Hmm let me check ive edited this for iptv but no idea if it works on dvb adapters aswell	07:47
miketacker	yeah, i gues it will	07:47
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MrE	Doubt it	07:48
	In iptv_input.c i changed	07:48
	static int	07:49
	iptv_grace_period(service_t *t)	07:49
	{	07:49
	return 3;	07:49
	}	07:49
	to return 20, the dvb code must have a simular option	07:49
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miketacker	sorry, had to restart	07:50
MrE	[09:48:23] [MrE]: Doubt it	07:50
	[09:48:35] [MrE]: In iptv_input.c i changed	07:50
	[09:49:38] - Info: Delaying paste of (5) lines/(62) bytes for (1) second(s) per line! Type /sp to stop!	07:50
	[09:49:38] [MrE]: static int	07:50
	[09:49:39] [MrE]: iptv_grace_period(service_t *t)	07:50
	[09:49:40] [MrE]: {	07:50
	[09:49:41] [MrE]: return 3;	07:50
	[09:49:42] [MrE]: }	07:50
	[09:49:42] - Info: Pasting finished after (4) seconds	07:50
	[09:50:01] [MrE]: to return 20, the dvb code must have a simular option	07:50
linuxstb	MrE: Isn't that configurable in the settings?	07:50
	MrE: This channel is logged - you could have just pointed miketacker here - http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/hts?date=2013-07-18	07:50
MrE	linuxstb nope I could,nt find it :)	07:51
miketacker	checking the link	07:51
MrE	ohh :p	07:51
	But a configuration option for it would be great linuxstb	07:53
linuxstb	MrE: It's there for DVB I think. Probably not for IPTV as I suspect no-one expects delays there.	07:54
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MrE	And a config option to remove the adapters tab from the status page would be great too, got no use for that on iptv servers, so faar ive just compiled my own version with that removed from status.js	07:55
	:)	07:55
linuxstb	MrE: A config option doesn't make much sense I think. But only displaying it when 1 or more DVB adapters are detected would probably make sense.	07:56
MrE	Oh yeah youre right	07:56
	:)	07:56
linuxstb	Patches welcome ;)	07:56
MrE	If there is an if i can use to check if a dvb adapter was detected during startup it should be pretty easy, might throw one together when i get home, later dudes :)	07:59
miketacker	does the Grace Period effect the channel change time?	07:59
	over http?	07:59
MrE	No it just prevents tvheadend from doing a subscribe / unsubscribe loop every 3 seconds	08:00
	when using http subscribe	08:00
linuxstb	MrE: Well, the .js displays the list, so it should know how many there are.	08:00
miketacker	what value do you recomend me to use to test if this helps with my problem?	08:01
MrE	Since you aint got iptv it wont work, maybe some nice person inhere with knowledge about the dvb code can tell you where and if it has the same option, but in general using xbmc or another proper htsp client will solve all your problemsa	08:03
	Now im out later ;)	08:03
miketacker	ok MrE,	08:03
	do you by chance give me something to read for integrating iptv channels in tvh?	08:04
	you seem to know about it	08:04
	i do have a couple of iptv channels i would like to add in it	08:04
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linuxstb	miketacker: tvh only supports a particular kind of IPTV - MPEG-TS format over UDP multicast	08:04
miketacker	i see	08:05
	my have the right format but come over http	08:05
	and in unicast	08:05
linuxstb	I suspect we'll see tvh's IPTV support improve in the future. But for now, just UDP multicast.	08:06
miketacker	i see	08:06
	i could do a unicast to multicast streaming	08:06
linuxstb	Yes, that should work.	08:07
MrE	Thats why ive made this iptv grace period hack, made a script that listens for subscribe/unsubscribe lines, and on certain channels there is no real input besides the script that startes ffmpeg recieving a http stream, muxing it as mpegts asnd broadcasting it as iptv for tvheadend to pick up	08:07
	The scripts and all that are posted on the forum ;)	08:07
miketacker	cook, can you give me the link to it	08:07
	cool	08:07
MrE	https://www.tvheadend.org//issues/1372	08:07
	But bad gateway atm :S	08:08
miketacker	thank you MrE	08:08
	ups	08:08
MrE	Worked yesterday, im sure it will work again	08:08
miketacker	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gzQ-YOWDUocJ:https://tvheadend.org/issues/1372+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ch	08:08
	google helps all the time	08:08
	i would like to timeshift a channel by 24 hours and then stream them out, do you think this is posible by tvh?	08:10
	if not, is there an other way to time shift a channel by 1 hour	08:10
	sorry i meant 1 hour not 24 hours	08:10
	1 hour to correct the time difference	08:10
linuxstb	miketacker: Is this a DVB channel?	08:18
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miketacker	yes it is	08:27
	i transcode them to ip	08:28
	iptv http unicast	08:28
	so i could also cache them outside and then stream them 1 hour later, i do have enough ram	08:28
zipleen	so, how is the transcoding status in tvheadend master? :p anyone took another look at that ?	08:38
linuxstb	sb1066 made a few commits to that last night. But he's the only one working on it I think.	08:38
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linuxstb	adamsutton: Will your dvb-rewrite code still have the same problem with my one-mux-per-adapter configuration? i.e. constantly stopping and then retuning to the same mux?	09:09
zipleen	I need to test those :p	09:11
MrE	zipleen from what ive seen, its bugged...	09:14
zipleen	MrE: of course it is, I wouldn't expect transcoding to start working flawlessly in 1 day :p	09:14
MrE	last time i tried getting transcoded channels out of the box ment tvheadend grew in memory useage by about 50mb every minutes, and after some hours crashed,	09:15
adamsutton	linuxstb: honestly not sure	09:15
zipleen	let's figure out the url scheme….. :p	09:17
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zipleen	damn… I need another container.. it gives me a matroska mux, I need MP4 :p	09:58
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zipleen	it worked in vlc though :p	09:59
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linuxstb	adamsutton: OK, I'll let you know when testing ;) Are things like idle scanning and EPG scanning implemented?	10:37
zipleen	adamsutton: how much work do you think would take to add MP4 container ? :p	10:37
linuxstb	zipleen: IIUC, mp4 isn't suitable for live streaming, if that's what you're intending.	10:39
	You should use MPEG-TS with a playlist (i.e. a fake HLS)	10:39
zipleen	damn.. I don't understand any of this then :(	10:42
	oh	10:44
	how cute	10:44
	it works lol	10:44
mpmc	tvheadend.org is dead again :(	10:45
linuxstb	mpmc: It's been dead since last night, unless it's been up and down again.	10:47
adamsutton	linuxstb: EPG is not done yet, I need to re-org stuff to take advantage of the new arrangement	10:47
	mpmc: dammit, and I was only a couple of days ago remarking to andoma how it'd been surprisingly stable recently and that he should go ahead and break it :p	10:48
mpmc	So we blame you then?	10:49
adamsutton	hey, I didn't touch it :p	10:49
	its up now though	10:49
mpmc	I'm just happy that server doesn't host the git repos :p	10:49
adamsutton	they'd be fine :p	10:50
	its redmine that dies, most stuff keeps going	10:50
	showtime redmine was fine, apt repo was fine, nginx frontend was fine	10:50
	just tvh redmine had gone off into lala land as usual	10:50
mpmc	=_= 1 hour to copy over 260GB then I've gotta copy another 300GB on top of that =_=	10:52
adamsutton	??	10:52
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mpmc	I'm backing up my data so I can add more storage to my microserver.	10:54
adamsutton	ah yes, I remember that fun when I re-built my array :)	10:55
	I should probably put some of the old disks to use now	10:55
	which reminds me, better check if the box is cooking yet :)	10:56
	seems to have faired quite well over the past few days	10:56
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mpmc	I've bought two more 1TB drives, only issue is I can't decide how to set them up with the other 1 TB and two 500GB, I only have four slots =_=	10:58
adamsutton	I stuck 3TB Reds in my box to replace my 1TB's, the 1TB's are now sat on the desk acting as a "backup" :p	11:02
mpmc	How much were those 3TB drives?	11:06
adamsutton	I think they were 110, but I think they're under 100 now	11:06
	or not, 105 on ebuyer	11:07
	mpmc: just get one of these :p http://www.ebuyer.com/507650-synology-ds1513-15tb-wd-red-5-bay-nas-ds1513-15tb	11:07
	adamsutton goes to look down the back of the sofa for some spare change	11:07
NourSs	adamsutton: ?	11:08
adamsutton	oh.. there is a bigger version, gonna need to look harder!	11:08
NourSs	Can you take a look here : http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=169269 ? :)	11:08
mpmc	adamsutton: LOL! I would not buy another Synology! or a QNAP.	11:08
	Yes, I've had both.	11:09
adamsutton	mpmc: tbh, I prefer doing it myself, though sometimes I wish I could have the case and HW, but run my own SW on it	11:09
mpmc	adamsutton: Yeah same here.	11:09
adamsutton	my NAS is a bit naff in terms of the case, its just an mini-ATX tower with plenty of internal bays, something like that would be nice	11:10
	NourSs: what's the problem?	11:10
NourSs	adamsutton: XBMC ( on Ouya ) crashes when i play LiveTV with tvheadend plugins	11:11
	Don know if u can help me.. i just try	11:11
adamsutton	NourSs: probably not, looks like you need to speak to the XBMC guys and possibly those maintaining the Ouya builds.	11:11
	my involvement has only been on the fringes, helping get new features in tvheadend integrated into pvr.hts	11:12
NourSs	XBMC guys tell me to ask you :p	11:12
adamsutton	then they need a slap	11:12
sb1066	adamsutton: got a few minutes?	11:13
adamsutton	if there software crashes, it's not my problem :p	11:13
	sb1066: sure	11:13
	NourSs: ofc if stuff I've changed in pvr.hts crashes, I'll take all the abuse people can muster ;) but my guess is the problems are deeper than that	11:13
	NourSs: what sort of platform is the Ouya?	11:14
NourSs	adamsutton: Android	11:14
	Tegra 3	11:14
adamsutton	that's what I thought	11:14
mpmc	adamsutton: [my nas history :p] The Synology I had died, rebooted itself during an update sent it back to Amazon, it cost the same as the microserver and it had no drives and was twice as slow, the QNAP died on me as well, hard drives corrupted and I lost half my data! I also had a buffalo that was basically free as hard drives at the time were £80-100 for 500GB! it came with two hd so I kept them and dumped the buffalo since that got corrupted too!	11:14
adamsutton	so it almost certainly uses a different media player (i.e. not dvdplayer), this si where most problems like this have occured	11:15
	mpmc: have you ever thought about seeing someone about your "problems"? :p if I didn't know better I'd say you were cursed :p	11:16
mpmc	Why do NAS manufacturers use great hardware just duff software that gets corrupted easily?!	11:16
adamsutton	mpmc: are you sure its not just you ;)	11:19
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mpmc	adamsutton: Nope it isn't, on all three nas' on one I found some weird bug that randomly deletes your files if you upload a file with () in it, the second one I updated the firmware and it rebooted itself during to do a disk check!?	11:22
	Its like they don't even bother to check!	11:23
	But since I got the microserver it's been extremely stable without any of those issues :)	11:24
	LOL! looking at the freenas site and apparently Dr. Phil loves it!? Lol really hard to believe that..	11:28
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linuxstb	adamsutton: Re: NourSs's post - it seems everyone blames tvheadend ;)	11:46
	"xbmc crashes when playing a stream from tvheadend, therefore it's tvheadend's fault"....	11:47
mpmc	Easy target..	11:48
adamsutton	exactly	11:53
anhi	my goldfish commited suicide after I left my xbmc unattended and it showed scenes from CSI. its all your fault!	11:54
adamsutton	I think people don't seem to understand that when a piece of software crashes, its usually that software that's to blame (some cases obviously where there are tight deps etc...)	11:54
	mpmc knows how horrible it is being an easy target..	11:55
adamsutton	anhi: I'm sorry for your loss	11:55
	:p	11:55
linuxstb	adamsutton: Have you gathered the strength to reply to Konstantin yet?	12:02
adamsutton	no, I'm just too buys	12:03
	*busy	12:03
	linuxstb isn't actually sure what, if anything, Konstantin said in his most recent mail	12:03
	linuxstb has finally got his Debian installation in a sane state on the server with the 6984, but can't face configuring tvh yet again...	12:05
adamsutton	linuxstb: basically he just said "I didn't actually read what you wrote, so I might need to do that" but "I still think tvheadend is partly to blame for not coping with my crap drivers" and "an opensource version will always be limited in functionality due to lack of information". Even if no-one cares about that functionality, and the OSS driver si both easier to use (in tree) and more reliable.	12:09
htsbot	Commit in 'master ' by John Törblom [ files added ]	12:20
	transcoding: added initial UI for watching webm/hls streams in browser.	12:20
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	Navigation is very primitive. clicking on the logo will step up in	12:20
	channel list, or you can use the up/down arrows on the keyboard. No UI	12:20
	for listing channels is available, as this is more of a test to see	12:20
	what browser are working.	12:20
sb1066	pls test, will be afk for a few hours now :)	12:20
	but I'll read the logs	12:20
mablae	will do!	12:22
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sb1066	btw, webm is veeery cpu intensive	12:22
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zipleen	sb1066 how nice :p the transcoding works for iOS btw =)	12:43
	there seems to be a bug if a tvheadend audio stream already is in AAC: seems it's not passing through because there's no audio output :p	12:44
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linuxstb	lja: Konstantin has been in touch with you?	12:57
zipleen	sb1066: and your tv.html works in iOS.	12:59
linuxstb	zipleen: We don't need your app then - just an iOS-optimised web UI? ;)	12:59
	sb1066: Doesn't seem happy in firefox - I get the EPG info, but can't seem to play back any video. Seems to work very nicely in Safari (on OS X) though.	13:06
lja	linuxstb: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg64462.html	13:10
	adamsutton goes to read	13:11
lja	this is related to a piece of code to fix something related to the IR	13:13
	yesterday I found out what was missing in the code and crope (from #linuxtv) told me to send a patch for people to test in other cards	13:13
adamsutton	yeah, what's his point exactly? that its in the wrong place (and he didn't get credit for not putting it into mainline sooner, and is just maintained in TBS codebase)?	13:13
linuxstb	lja: To be honest, I think he has a fair point. So is that code from the version of cx23885-cards.c in the TBS tree?	13:13
adamsutton	linuxstb: sounds like he has a fair point regarding he could have been credited, but it does sound a bit like whining to me	13:14
lja	my response: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg64463.html	13:14
adamsutton	but maybe I've just got a bit annoyed recently	13:14
	lja: nice	13:15
lja	honestly I don't know how many people work at tbs driver development	13:15
	the code was in their tree	13:15
	but no reference to anyone	13:15
adamsutton	indeed	13:15
linuxstb	lja: Yes, you couldn't have credited Konstantin personally, but I would have mentioned where it came from (i.e. the TBS tree)	13:16
zipleen	linuxstb: yes obviously =)	13:16
adamsutton	and although they're not obliged to, you could argue that it's implied with in the nature of GPL, that any patches that would be to the benefit of others should be submitted upstream	13:16
lja	[14:16] <awalls> GPL code: TBS has to give back if they make modifications.	13:16
adamsutton	but I guess that's a minor point	13:17
lja	this guy said the same thing	13:17
linuxstb	But doesn't the GPL say you need to highlght modifications in some way (or something like that) ?	13:17
adamsutton	lja: that interpretation is wong	13:17
	linuxstb: that's probably true, and they'd probably point you to diff ;)	13:17
	lja: no-one is obliged to upstream anything, they're only obliged to provide source downstream	13:17
linuxstb	adamsutton: Against what? Do they say what their code is based on?	13:18
	s/they/TBS/	13:18
adamsutton	linuxstb: well that's a fair point, and I think we've had this discussion before, they really should make this stuff a lot clearer	13:18
	but anyway, its mostly irrelevant, I think linuxstb is right and lja should have at least credited TBS. But I still think it sounds like K is just whining because someone has managed to rev-eng his driver and actually make it work properly	13:19
linuxstb	Well, he's losing his monopoly on Linux drivers for TBS cards...	13:20
lja	lol	13:20
linuxstb	Presumably he gets paid for supporting them, and if there are less to support...	13:20
	linuxstb doesn't understand how he is streaming live TV to Safari, but tvheadend is just using 8% CPU	13:22
linuxstb	Hmm, seems there is no transcoding going on.	13:24
	Fair enough ;)	13:24
dickon	How're you doing that?	13:25
linuxstb	sb1066's latest commit	13:25
dickon	But with no transcoding?	13:25
linuxstb	As far as I can tell, yes. CPU usage is low, and the tvh logs doesn't show any transcoding parameters in the http request	13:26
zipleen	it seems when I change channel, the browser doesn't actually close the previous connection.. in chrome.	13:27
	linuxstb: you need to enable it in src/plumbing/transcode.c:114 , change transcoding_enabled to 1	13:30
linuxstb	dickon: Hmm, no, it does seem to be transcoding. I think CPU usage is low due to the low resolution.	13:30
	zipleen: Yes, I've enabled that.	13:30
dickon	Ah. That'd do it.	13:30
zipleen	oh, I see a lot of transcoding parameters and libav :p	13:30
dickon	IME the browsers are ridiculously picky with what they'll accept.	13:30
linuxstb	A typical URL is http://myserver:9981/playlist/channelid/73?transcode=1&mux=mpegts&acodec=AAC&vcodec=H264&scodec=NONE&resolution=384	13:30
zipleen	I can't seem to get it working on my safari.. but on iOS it works :p	13:31
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linuxstb	zipleen: I've done nothing special - it "just worked"	13:32
	I'm not seeing channel logos though - just the lyngsat icon. But I see them inside the tvh webui	13:33
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zipleen	I see the logos :p mine isn't using image cache though	13:33
linuxstb	I've just checked, and I am.	13:34
adamsutton	linuxstb: sounds familiar	13:35
	I think I had to fix this in that mobile client someone did a while back	13:35
linuxstb	HD channels doesn't seem to work either	13:36
	But definitely a nice thing.	13:37
	zipleen is going to add a transcoding screen to my iOS app :p	13:38
lja	linuxstb: is transcode working?	13:41
	in latest master?	13:41
linuxstb	To some extent, yes. I haven't tested it very thoroughly though.	13:42
	You still need to manually enable it in the source though - "you need to enable it in src/plumbing/transcode.c:114 , change transcoding_enabled to 1" (thanks zipleen)	13:42
	linuxstb doesn't see the harm in always enabling it	13:43
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zipleen	the only annoying thing is that master says transcoding is enabled in capabilities, but because of that variable set to 0 it actually isn't…. it should reflect in capabilities :p	13:52
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adamsutton	sounds like someone for to put the #if around the list entry	13:58
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zipleen	there's an #if, for LIBAV_ENABLED, but then there's this other variable that controls if transcode is active or not ( in that transcode.c )	14:00
adamsutton	ah	14:01
zipleen	and that variable is not controlled by anything :p	14:01
linuxstb	adamsutton: Any objection to setting that variable to 1 now? (assuming sb1066 also agrees)	14:04
adamsutton	no	14:04
zipleen	funny :p http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=135628421403144&w=2	14:14
linuxstb	Nice ;)	14:19
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lja	zipleen: linus was really angry in there	14:22
	lol	14:22
zipleen	it came from here: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus-torvalds-defends-his-right-to-shame-linux-kernel-developers/#p3	14:23
linuxstb	adamsutton: There's a nice quote there from Linus that you could add to your mail signatures: "We never EVER blame the user programs." - Linus Torvalds	14:25
adamsutton	I know, I was just reading it ;)	14:25
	I'll add that as my tagline when I finally get around to replying to K :p	14:26
lja	hahahaha	14:26
	linuxstb suspects Konstantin will add "We always ALWAYS blame the drivers" - Adam Sutton	14:27
adamsutton	well, that would be an invalid quote ;)	14:28
zipleen	"WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!" - Linus Torvalds :p	14:28
adamsutton	I believe I basically said the same thing to K, if an external app crashes TVH, its TVH's fault. If TVH breaks a driver, its the drivers fault.	14:28
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linuxstb	adamsutton: That's what I quoted you as saying - if tvh breaks a driver, we always ALWAYS blame the driver ;)	14:34
adamsutton	fair enough	14:34
linuxstb	sb1066: In firefox, I'm getting errors in the logs like "Jul 18 15:39:03.016 [WARNING] webui: Stop streaming /stream/channelid/55?transcode=1&mux=webm&acodec=VORBIS&vcodec=VP8&scodec=NONE&resolution=384, muxer reported errors" - so I'm guessing there are issues with my version of libav/ffmpg and vorbis and/or vp8	14:39
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nilzen	adamsutton: i can now confirm that if i disable idle scanning the epg isn't updating. was ~9000 entries, turned off idle scanning for a few days and it went down to ~4000 and yesterday i turned it back on and now it's ~9000 again.	15:59
	using 3.4.27	16:00
BtbN	yeah, that's what idle scanning is for... scanning for EGP	16:14
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lja_	adamsutton: K has replied	18:42
	he still has no clue of what hes doing wrong	18:42
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Mordhorst	Hi all!	19:24
	Someone can tell me if tvheadend works with DVB-C and CI module (Alphacrypt Classic)? Can't find an answer on the net.	19:25
adamsutton	lja: I've just seen the reply, he's a prat, but we should test the new driver and break it just for good measure	19:27
	any volunteers	19:27
	?	19:27
linuxstb	Mordhorst: tvh doesn't support hardware CI modules. But it can talk to oscam if oscam can emulate your CI system (via a cardreader)	19:29
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Mordhorst	linuxstb: So I need a Smargo cardreader? Is that best?	19:36
adamsutton	lja, linuxstb: ok, I'm going to draft a reply	19:36
	it's probably not going to be so polite as it might have been	19:37
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linuxstb	Mordhorst: I'm not an expert, but yes, I've used one of those successfully. Where in the world are you? (others may have more specific advice)	19:45
Mordhorst	linuxstb: I live in Northrine-Westphalia, Germany - but ok... if you say you used them successfully I guess I will try one. They aren't that expensive. ;)	19:47
	Thanks a lot so far, linuxstb. Will check in later if I got some more questions... :)	19:48
	Bye all! Stay healthy!	19:48
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adamsutton	linuxstb: lja: http://pastebin.com/MrntBfa0	20:13
lja_	reading!	20:17
linuxstb	adamsutton: Maybe delete the last sentence - no need to antagonise him any more than needed.	20:17
adamsutton	lja: I'm probably being thick, but where is the "review" of your patch? I can't see any replies in the mailing list	20:18
	linuxstb: probably true, done	20:18
linuxstb	adamsutton: But may replace "TBS kit" with "TBS hardware", to subtly make the same point ;)	20:19
	And ask him what that damn security chip is meant to protect...	20:20
adamsutton	linuxstb: so leave it or take it out?	20:20
	linuxstb: really? I'll stick in a PS :p	20:20
linuxstb	adamsutton: I'm suggsting deleting the last sentence, and replace "kit" with "hardware" in the penultimate.	20:20
	(and I'm not sure if I'm serious about asking about that chip - but I'm very curious why it's there...)	20:20
adamsutton	that is in the last sentence, or do you mean my "random" quote of the day signature?	20:21
linuxstb	And put lja out of his misery and find out where it is on the 6984 ;)	20:21
	No, I didn't spot your quote of the day ;)	20:21
adamsutton	Ah, I see, I missed that the crap software bit was a new sentence :)	20:22
linuxstb	Just to be clear, my only serious suggestion is to remove "And it seems a real shame that it's all being let down by some rather poor software."	20:22
adamsutton	ok, removed	20:22
linuxstb	(and s/kit/hardware/)	20:22
adamsutton	yeah and done that	20:22
	I'll leave the security chip for another day	20:22
	still waiting for lja's thoughts ;)	20:23
lja_	finished reading	20:23
	its a good response	20:24
adamsutton	sorry, I do tend to prattle on	20:24
	lja_: where's the review of your driver?	20:24
	ok, I'll send as is (with linuxstb's mods ofc)	20:24
lja_	first review is here: article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.video-input-infrastructure/66710	20:27
	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.video-input-infrastructure/66710	20:27
	adamsutton: your mail is fine. youre giving him the solution, the last sentence is like the grand finale :)	20:28
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lja_	I just don't agree when you say that their media tree is good	20:29
	it doesn't have my dvb-t stick drivers	20:29
	:p	20:29
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zipleen	void bend_the_laws_of_physics (void) lol :p	20:42
	adamsutton: you added the quote :D lol	20:44
adamsutton	lja: I never said their media tree was any good	20:45
	I absolutely detest the way they package the drivers	20:45
lja_	hehe	20:46
adamsutton	I just acknowledge that sometimes you can't avoid closed source drivers (though I wish you could), but they should still be packaged in a sane way, which TBS' are not	20:47
	zipleen: I think lja should actually add that function :p	20:47
lja_	lol	20:48
zipleen	hahaha	20:48
lja_	btw, I'm about to test the transcoding stuff	20:48
	howto?	20:48
	is it by url?	20:48
	que trancode request	20:48
	transcode*	20:48
zipleen	get latest master, change that =0 to =1 in plumbing/transcode	20:48
lja_	done	20:49
	and already running	20:49
dickon	I'm late to the party, but the Torvalds quote at the bottom made me snigger.	20:49
zipleen	http://127.0.0.1:9981/stream/channelid/30?transcode=1&resolution=384&vcodec=H264&acodec=AAC&scodec=PASS&mux=mpegts	20:49
	then use something like this :p	20:49
	i'm in between choosing adding muxes statistics to the iOS app or add a transcoding screen….	20:50
adamsutton	dickon: I'm going to keep that as my signature :p	20:50
dickon	As a userland developer, I happen to think it's one of his better quotes :-)	20:51
lja_	:o it works	20:53
	any known bugs?	20:53
dickon	lja_: Your driver: what are its limitations, OOI?	20:53
	Does it do everything the TBS driver does, but better?	20:53
lja_	no limitations that I know of	20:53
	yes something like that :)	20:54
dickon	Which cards does it support?	20:54
lja_	tbs6980/6981	20:54
	I could add the 6984 easely	20:54
	if I had something to test	20:55
Gaston\|Home	lja: Is the driver supporting Unicable/SCR? Or is that outside of the driver scope?	20:55
dickon	Right.	20:56
	I have a 62x0; not sure what x is.	20:56
	Mind you, it works. Just wondering about work.	20:56
lja_	Gaston\|Home: thats a good question... I guess it could support	20:57
Gaston\|Home	beware that there has been a flame war regarding this	20:58
lja_	Gaston\|Home: does TBS driver support it?	20:58
Gaston\|Home	some say it should be outside kernel as it is simply commands to the dish	20:58
lja_	tbh I don't have any unicable lnb	20:58
	to test	20:59
Gaston\|Home	I'm still willing to supply the cash for a unicable LNB	20:59
	JackWinter1 : was thinking about implementing it but backed out	20:59
	I'm still up for supplying a donation to have it fixed wither in TVH or wherever it needs to go	21:00
linuxstb	dickon: We took that quote from here - http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=135628421403144&w=2	21:00
lja_	tvheadend would defenitivelly need to updated to support unicable	21:02
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Gaston\|Home	patch for mythtv http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9726	21:02
	still searching for the flame war	21:02
dickon	linuxstb: I read the thread some time back. It amuses me.	21:02
lja_	the only question is if the tuner supports the required tange of frequencies required by unicable	21:03
	range*	21:03
Gaston\|Home	TBS 6981 supports Unicable	21:04
lja_	ok, then my driver also suports it	21:04
	:)	21:04
Gaston\|Home	:)	21:04
lja_	its basically setting the tuner frequency to a non-standard one and sending some diseqc commands	21:05
	adamsutton: do you have unicable in you dvb-rewrite?	21:05
	I do remember havving a lot of lnb options in there	21:06
linuxstb	lja_: BTW, please go ahead and add the 6984 - I'm happy to test. I'll be back next to that server in about 10 days ;)	21:06
Gaston\|Home	ok, this is the closest I could find -flames https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/7994/	21:06
linuxstb	Once you do the 6984, most of the pieces will be in place for me to have a go at the 6284 (quad -T2)	21:06
lja_	Gaston\|Home: I see, I think I agree that lnb related stuff (unicable/ rotor / switch) shoudl be kept in userspace	21:09
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lja_	adding the 6984 should be straight forward	21:10
linuxstb	lja_: Even though it's using the saa7160?	21:11
lja_	yes, because its open source...	21:11
	the difficult part is to choose 1 of the many saa7160 out there	21:12
dickon	Well, if you're bored...	21:12
lja_	it would be easier if it was already in the kernel	21:12
dickon	I have a Compro E750 I could really do with a driver for.	21:12
	Sadly, nothing available that isn't Windows. I hadn't realised that when I bought the bloody thing...	21:13
lja_	do you knwo what chips that thing use?	21:13
	know*	21:13
dickon	SAA7160. Beyond that, I'm not sure.	21:14
lja_	not that bad.	21:18
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linuxstb	lja_: I guess you could just start with TBS's version of saa716x?	21:21
lja_	sure, that would be my first move	21:21
	when will you have access to testing?	21:22
linuxstb	I can test remotely now, but would prefer not to risk killing the machine until I'm back next to it (on the 28th July)	21:23
	Although I can probably live without it if the worst happened.	21:23
lja_	tomorrow I'll create a new branch in my media_tree and add the saa7160	21:24
	then it should just work	21:24
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Gaston\|Home	adamsutton, so if lja thinks Unicable stuff belongs in user space. Is Unicable on your list or can it be?	21:24
lja_	lol	21:25
Gaston\|Home	(Reconnect reason)I just gave away my memory sticks to my nephew and whenever Chrome goes above 50+ tabs it crashes quite badly. Mental note:Have to start building my new desktop	21:27
linuxstb	Or keep your number of tabs under control ;)	21:27
Gaston\|Home	They are :) Just that I lost my marbles, eh sticks	21:28
linuxstb	lja_: OK, I think I can risk trying it...	21:28
	lja_: Can you remember what we discovered about the firmware? Was it the same as the 6981 Linux driver's version?	21:29
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lja_	I think so	21:33
	shouldn't matter	21:34
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