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2013-09-05

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adamsutton morning09:06
andoma hi09:06
adamsutton I think I'm nearly at the point where I can think about merging, so hope people are ready for a bumpy ride!09:07
andoma \o709:07
adamsutton I need to fix an issue in the epggrab code, as soon as I pushed it I realised there was a mistake, doh09:07
but I'm planning to run it on my own machine, and see how that goes09:08
andoma always a good plan :)09:08
adamsutton no doubt people will complain like mad when they see the horrible UI I've done09:08
amet has already done plenty of moaning for everyone though09:08
but he's not wrong in what he says, it's a bit shit and I need someone to do a better job09:08
amet is that a different way of saying "amet was right?", I do hope this gets logged somewhere.. no one will believe me.. :)09:12
CrazyMatt lol09:26
adamsutton amet: I've never disagreed with the basic premise that the UI is crap and non-intuitive :p I just disagree on what/how it needs resolving :p09:32
and of course I go into slopey shoulder mode when people start talking about the UI09:33
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amet oh, based on that people are always talking UI to you09:35
BtbN just remove the UI09:36
then nobody can complain about it09:36
amet call it VDR?09:37
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BtbN well, getting the UI out of tvh isn't that bad actualy09:38
just some http-based json rpc protocol09:39
basicaly that's how it currently is, but no fixed api09:39
sgtpepper adamsutton, go merge, we're with you09:50
hahah09:50
I'll try to get a usb satellite tuner to run testing09:51
funky1 anyone has working epg for turksat channels by any chance?09:56
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toppot Amet: Its already secured "forever": http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/hts?date=2013-09-05#l4210:38
amet I'll save it.. thx10:39
mpmc adamsutton: I haven't tried your rewrite in a while and I will test it, but from I remember of it, I preferred it to the current ui as it didn't keep bloody refreshing!10:41
adamsutton it will refresh, but at least there is a tick box to stop it :p10:42
mpmc adamsutton: Thank god!10:44
adamsutton I think part of the problem wasn't so much that it did refresh, but how it handled it.10:44
whether I've improved that I've no idea, and certainly if it refreshes something you're editing you will still potentially lose the changes etc...10:45
but you can always untick the "auto refresh" button etc..10:45
amet if I could add channels I could tell you if its better .. ;p10:47
heh, I have to stop bitching… people will think I don't like the rewrite … I think its great BTW :)10:47
mpmc adamsutton: I think amet is trying to out bitch/moan me!10:48
amet that is not possible :)10:48
adamsutton agreed!10:49
amet you have the master title :)10:49
mpmc lol10:49
CrazyMatt maybe he will accept an internship though? ;)11:00
amet only if he can do UI :)11:02
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o_cee Anyone using tvheadend with Canal Digital in Sweden?11:26
toppot Am using with Canal Digital in Denmark... Probably quite comparable :-)11:34
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funky1 Smørrebrød11:36
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toppot Any questions - please throw them at me.. have tried both the distributed binary for Debian (version 3.4), and is currently running what I remember to be 3.5.243 from git... With a few options..11:36
funky1 - sure ;)11:36
funky1 hehe i think that's what the cook in the muppet show used to say always, god i loved that show11:51
o_cee toppot: Cool, yeah I guess they should be the same.. I was mostly wondering about how good the EIT OTA data is?11:51
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toppot o_cee: VERY good!!!! I have (bar the missing episode numbering) super perfect 7 days titles - some channels have more days with the extended show description than others, but I have zero complains!11:56
funky1 hm been looking around but can't find it, is there a howto for getting epg to work with dvb-s properly11:56
toppot I was initially surprised to see that this channel still exists... For me (Sky UK, Viasat and CD scandinavia) it was all working OOB :)11:57
joobie balls bitches11:57
balls11:57
toppot funky1: which provider??11:57
joobie ur mumz11:57
provider11:57
o_cee toppot: But there's no proper episode info for series linking then?11:58
funky1 haha lol11:59
joobie sup funky111:59
funky1 turksat mainly, the others seems to work properly11:59
joobie: not mucho, got all the channels working finally in tvh now struggling with epg12:00
toppot o_cee: Not from OTA - XMLTV could be the solution, but last time I was looking it did not work, the grabber came out with parsing errors for dr.dk as provider... not sure how it will work for TVZon or tv.swedb.se..12:01
I am only using XMLTV for sky uk - (Radio Times)...12:02
funky1 what about u joobie doobie?12:03
o_cee toppot: That's the reason I'm asking, I'm trying to understand how tvheadend handles duplicates with the data being availible through xmltv.. Seems it doesn't, really. But the se grabber provides good data which should be possible to do a lot with.12:03
joobie funky1, epg, why wats up12:04
funky1, not much man.. just had a scotch12:04
or two12:04
doing sum coding12:04
funky1 not a fan of scotch, prefer votdka or gin...12:05
joobie ahh12:05
i been drinken it for a while12:05
the taste kinda grows on u12:05
funky1 ah some channels pick up wrong epg info and not sure how to check which stations actually provide epg12:06
well maybe i should try, didn't like the taste of booze at all in begining after all ;)12:06
joobie hmm not sur eman12:06
i use TVH and XBMC12:06
and it "just works" in terms of EPG12:06
funky1 hehe yeah for astra and hotbird for me as well, just this turkish crappy turksat not12:07
joobie hehe so tru12:07
it's like coffee12:07
shit taste, keep doing it then u love it12:07
same with beer, scotch.. so true12:07
funky1 indeed totaly agree12:07
joobie smoking too12:07
i guess in all of these cases, it's our body saying it's bad for us hey :P12:08
they all are.. we all react as it being shit, until we are hooked12:08
funky1 lol sooo true12:08
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adamsutton o_cee: sorry to jump in, what was the issue with duplicates?12:25
toppot Would like to hear to too... Using OTA with Sky UK XMLTV - not having a single issue..12:26
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adamsutton why you using XMLTV in the UK?12:30
toppot: ^^12:30
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o_cee adamsutton: hey adam! At the moment I'm just trying to get a grip on how scheduling works, wrt to dup detection and so on. Haven't been able to test it yet, my Canal Digital card is in the mail today though. But as far as I could understand from your posts, episode info from xmltv isn't actually used? That's why I was curios about the EIT quality from CD..12:40
adamsutton o_cee: which episode info exactly?12:40
you'll have to be a bit more specific :)12:41
o_cee adamsutton: example: http://xmltv.tvtab.la/xmltv/hd.tv6.se_2013-09-04.xml.gz <episode-num system="xmltv_ns"> but really any sort of episode info making it possible to accurately record series :)12:41
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adamsutton XMLTV simply doesn't provide such info, at least not in the standard schema, people have created "extensions" to support it12:42
however as I've pointed out to the XMLTV dev's the format simply needs to be improved, cus it's shite!12:42
ofc, that's my personal opinion, others will surely disagree12:42
o_cee adamsutton: Basically, as I understood it, you need an unique identifier to identify for example all "Simpsons"?12:43
adamsutton: I mean, the season and episode is there12:43
adamsutton to do it properly yes12:43
else its guess work12:43
o_cee adamsutton: trust me, I hate that :)12:43
adamsutton i.e. Because the title has string "ABCD" and because the series number is the same, it should be recorded as the same serise12:43
but it's prone to failure12:43
however, you're somewhat in luck12:44
o_cee adamsutton: allthough that is was the tvtab.la scraper does when it constructs the thetvdb.com url (i presume), it actually does have a seriesid12:44
ooh candy?12:44
adamsutton because I was already aware of that tvdb URL, and that IS supported as a proper series identified12:44
*identifier12:44
so although you're still prone to them getting it wrong, TVH will believe what it's told in this case12:45
o_cee yeah cool, that was my idea also, or to lift it into <episode-num>12:45
yeah allthough *they* are guessing tvh doesn't have to12:45
adamsutton ah, hold on...12:45
I can't find that code :(12:45
o_cee i couldn't find support for it in the code though12:46
adamsutton ah ok, there is a slight diff between that format and the one I'd previous seen12:46
nope, I'm jsut a prat and it appears that code never got included in master :(12:47
o_cee oh ok :/12:47
adamsutton it was something JT and I were discussing, but it probably just never got included12:47
o_cee the alternative would be to have them do a new type of <episode-num> with the scraped info12:48
adamsutton and although its not really part of the spec (which was my complaint to XMLTV) I'm probably ok to include it in TVHs parser12:48
o_cee: no, that's what XMLTV suggested and I told them it was ludicrous12:48
o_cee hehe12:48
adamsutton you might as well define the XMLTV XML schema as just <episode-num system="X">BLAH</>12:48
then anyone can do anything they like :p12:49
o_cee i guess the risk of using the url would be if thetvdb changes their url formal12:49
yeah exactly, system="tvh" :)12:49
adamsutton true, but to some extent that's always a risk12:49
o_cee yeah sure12:49
adamsutton in the UK, there is a very cool system that does this all really nicely, in fact its what the XMLTV feed (by 2 layers of indirection) is based on12:49
and all teh good stuff is removed in the XMLTV feed since it simply can't describe it12:50
o_cee yeah i was involved in the swedish grabber a long time ago when it started up, and I was surprised by the lack of coherence between the different providers12:50
in their data12:51
no small task converting them all into one standard format12:51
adamsutton If you want to try and hack something in you can have a go, you'll need to parse the url a bit to remove the episode specific bit (though you'll also want to keep that for the episide URI)12:51
o_cee you'd only want to use the seriesid from the url and use episode-num for season/episode? or what did you mean?12:52
adamsutton you'd take the URL as is, as the episode identifier, you strip the episode specific components of the URI to give you the series identifier12:53
none of that relates to series/episode numbering, just unique IDs12:53
o_cee: https://github.com/tvheadend/tvheadend/blob/master/src/epggrab/module/xmltv.c#L23112:53
o_cee ah yes true12:53
adamsutton that function extracts the series and episode URIs12:54
you'd need to add something into there to read and parse those tvdb URLs12:54
o_cee yup, i'll probably look into it once i got everything up and running12:55
adamsutton As long as you do it cleanly, it's a PR i'd be happy to include12:55
the code that's already there probably needs a bit of cleaning as well, its expecting this stuff to be in episode-num tags etc...12:56
o_cee ok cool, good to know. haven't touched C in a while, but :)12:56
adamsutton getting the episode bit is the work of 5 mins, just extract the URL and your done12:56
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adamsutton the series bit needs a tad more to parse the raw URL to remove the bits you don't want12:57
ofc if you don't know the code it'll take a bit longer, but as long as you're not scared by C, its not that big a job12:57
o_cee yup, shouldn't be a problem, biggest problem is probably getting the environment set up12:57
adamsutton tvh is pretty easy to build, just need a debian (easiest) based machine and a handful of packages12:58
o_cee: https://tvheadend.org/projects/tvheadend/wiki/Building, https://tvheadend.org/projects/tvheadend/wiki/Development12:59
couple of useful links12:59
o_cee sounds good, very excited about tvh compared to mythtv that i've been using before. haven't used it in a couple of years, but it looks exactly as messy as it did then.12:59
thanks12:59
adamsutton I regularly slate it off, but tbh I've never used it, so I should really keep my mouth shut :p13:00
I looked at the options, TVH looked simple, tried it had it up and running in a few mins, never tried anything else13:00
o_cee it's huge, a lot to configure, and a but ugly frontend. the theme i did for it probably almost 10 years ago is still the official one.. go figure13:01
sorry not official anymore apparently, but still as ugly :)13:03
adamsutton o_cee: cool (in some ways :) )13:03
well TVH's UI has its rough edges ;) but then most people don't use that UI for day-to-day tasks13:03
most of the roughest edges are the ones I've touched13:04
o_cee you mean the web ui? i think it's wonderful :)13:04
especially compared to myth which requires qt and x to be installed on the server, just to run the setup tool.. on a headless server..13:04
adamsutton oh yeah, from that point of view its great13:05
TVH is perfect for headless boxes13:05
it's not that its terrible, just some bits aren't great, and some stuff will probably get worse when I merge my new stuff in13:05
but such is life13:05
o_cee as you said, it's not used that often so as long as it works, i think it's fine13:06
adamsutton one area it lacks is a nice simple step-by-step setup guide for newbies13:06
not that I found it hard to setup when I was a newbie13:06
toppot And one further thing to remember (and never forget): TVH is almost as easy to get working as it gets... Also for newbies. Easy to install, easy to get working.. Easy to use..13:07
o_cee everything is hard when you're a newbie, and i'm not sure if guides help.. more important to have sane defaults13:07
toppot Always room for improvements, but I for one never got something I would use on a day to day basis in the living room from any other solution..13:07
At least, not for live TV..13:08
adamsutton well, we'll see what people say when everything changes :p13:08
o_cee hehe13:08
what kind of changes are being done in the dvb branch?13:09
toppot If it is as easy to install, as easy to setup - and working just as good (onle you move from alpha to beta), then no wories..13:09
adamsutton o_cee: the entire DVB (and related) code has been rewritten (lots of stuff is still missing)13:10
2 main objectives, 1. common up all the MPEG-TS processing (and make it possible to add modules for handling different types of input source), 2. make it much easier to manage multi-tuner systems13:10
master will become somewhat of a mess for a while, but hopefully people will start telling me all the things I've forgotten to do13:11
o_cee heh ok, any eta?13:11
adamsutton I've been saying its just around the corner for weeks13:12
o_cee ah :)13:12
adamsutton stuff either gets in the way of doing it, or one small mod leads to a complete change of some other area I'd not intended to touch13:12
however, I'm now at the stage where I'm going to try and fix a couple of minor things and then push it13:13
and let the pain begin....13:13
o_cee sounds like fun, can't wait :)13:16
have you looked at jsontv? can't find any info about it, but the swedish xmltv providers have this format as well.. seems like it's just a json version of the xmltv data though13:19
adamsutton no, can't say I have, I have my own format ofc :p13:20
but that's not really used for anything13:20
XMLTV, and how shit it was (performance wise) is actually what got me into this whole game in the first place13:20
if only they could write decent code, I'd probably still have a life!13:21
o_cee haha13:21
ttyl guys13:28
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adamsutton if anyone fancies trying the dvb-rewrite branch, I'm pretty close to merging it now14:24
but I think I need lots of people to tell me the stuff I've yet to complete, done wrong, is shit, etc...14:25
DON'T try using it for a proper system :p (I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone that)14:25
lja lol14:39
what are the major holes in there atm?14:39
just UI stuff?14:39
adamsutton no dvb preconf, no V4L (who cares), incomplete IPTV?, lots of missing configuration, some configuration that does nothing, some UI elements don't display properly14:40
there some of the things I remember14:40
most of them aren't "critical" in getting "something" working14:40
some of them will be annoying to some users, for example you can't disable auto discovery, there's a handy checkbox that does nothing :p14:41
lja nothing critical to me :)14:41
adamsutton nor me14:41
lja will it break transcode?14:41
adamsutton it shouldn't do, but who knows ;)14:41
lja hehe14:41
adamsutton LOTS has changed, though most of the streaming stuff is completely untouched14:42
at least above the very bottom layers ofc14:42
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funky1 adamsutton: if u remember i had issues with certain channels not showing up on dvb-s and you had mentioned it might be the SI table, you had looked at my forum posts about the issue and workaround and asked to try without the streaming info, well it seems to work without streaming info as well, but PMT is required otherwise no service enabled in tvh...15:02
just fyi15:02
adamsutton funky1: well that's useful to know15:03
let me just remind myself...15:03
funky1 i keep track of my findings here on the forum just need to add the pmt stuff now there as well... https://tvheadend.org/boards/4/topics/925115:03
adamsutton you running master/3.4 or dvb-rewrite?15:04
funky1 3.5.243~g2b6499515:04
adamsutton it's all very odd, let me just read your notes again15:06
do you have a mux dump you could send me?15:08
and did you re-run all the service discovery stuff AFTER you fixed teh mux issues, whatever caused those!15:08
funky1 tell me how to get the mux dump and i will make one for you or you mean dvbtune mux output for one frequency?15:09
yes i did run it15:09
adamsutton I want a full capture of whatever is coming from that mux, you can use various tools15:10
but I'm lazy and just get TVH to do the work for me :p15:10
funky1 it's not only one mux15:10
adamsutton make sure you have your card in full mux mode (that might not be necessary I forget) and then hit the play link in the mux tab and grab the output15:10
s'ok, we just need to see one that's broken and fix that, the others will no doubt be the same problem.15:11
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adamsutton hmm, apart from the fact that opentv appears to be scanning every 20mins, rather than hourly, it appears to be working!15:48
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lja adamsutton: you're already pushing to tvheadend git, right?16:04
to the dvb-rewrite branch16:04
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funky1 the mux file is like 20MB and internet is soooo fuckin' slow here16:07
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oliv3r very offtopic Qustion; I just installed XBMC 12.2-rc1 and noticed all the settings regarding to xbmc-remote (android) and the webserver are gone?17:15
hmm, maybe it's my fault afeterall17:22
adamsutton lja: yeah I've abandoned the branch on my fork17:30
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funky1 is there any sense with a twin tuner to have epg enabled on both tuners or the same channels?19:53
*for the same channels19:53
or is it enough to just have them enabled on one?19:53
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funky1 this is driving me nuts, i have reset the epg database on xbmc, disabled epg on the channel and still there is epg for that station aaaahahhaa20:12
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p1ngb4ck funky1: clear epgdb.v2 file in .hts/tvheadend !?20:21
funky1 was just going to try that, thanks p1ngb4ck20:22
p1ngb4ck funky1 : removes any "sane" epg also :(20:22
funky1 p1ngb4ck: how best to clear it, i suppose not just delete, right?20:24
p1ngb4ck funky1: just delete and restart tvheadend20:25
or move away20:25
to backup location20:25
funky1 ok20:25
p1ngb4ck anbody here willing to "betatest" my python-function to read in tvheadend config from ".hts"-dir?20:26
currently working on sqlite3-save/restore20:26
funky1 yeah, it worked :)20:27
cheers :D20:27
p1ngb4ck basically it just reads in the tvheadend config dir, and stores everything in a biig python-dict with subdicts etc20:27
I have no dvb-t adapter => no configs for that, anybody willing to help me check that function?20:27
funky1 i got only dvb-s20:28
p1ngb4ck http://pastie.org/830141120:29
funky1 and finally I seem to have things working as i want20:29
p1ngb4ck adamsutton: could you please provide me some example configs for the new format? so I can write convert-function?20:31
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adamsutton p1ngb4ck: I can send you my current config if you like20:54
p1ngb4ck adamsutton : yes, please20:54
adamsutton let me just sanitize it :)20:55
p1ngb4ck ok :) thanks20:55
sreality adamsutton: I take it that you're one of the core devs 20:55
adamsutton one of, yes20:55
p1ngb4ck: hopefully nothing private in there, https://www.dropbox.com/s/841776pfkrdxt2u/test-conf.p1ngb4ck.tar.bz220:59
though tbh, given that one of the TVH release tarballs contained my entire config, not much point worrying :p21:00
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p1ngb4ck adamsutton : cool, my read-in to dict works with your config :)21:03
adamsutton : thanks a lot21:03
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adamsutton p1ngb4ck: now you just need to translate it ;)21:07
p1ngb4ck adamsutton : si21:07
adamsutton you can take a look at the noddy script I wrote to show what "must" be translated (and yes its crap, even for me)21:07
p1ngb4ck adamsutton : would be awesome though!21:07
adamsutton it probably does a bit more than yours would do, because it also does channels (which for me is the main thing)21:07
but if you want to do that as well go for it21:08
p1ngb4ck adamsutton : if you check the pastie I linked, you will see, it gets pretty much everythin except epgdata21:08
adamsutton ah ok, cool21:08
p1ngb4ck the only thing is : it puts dvbtransports as a subdict of dvbmuxes etc21:08
adamsutton bare in mind that htsmsg is not entirely json compatible21:09
p1ngb4ck adamsutton : yes, I ran into that ;)21:09
adamsutton though in practice the stuff that will fail is probably not a big deal, and in the new code I've removed the incompatibilities21:10
p1ngb4ck dvbtransport-files contain subsections with the same name for example21:10
adamsutton though htsmsg itself can still generate non-JSON output21:10
yeah, services stream lists21:10
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p1ngb4ck adamsutton : take a close look at my script :D21:10
I do a trick to get all that data sanely21:10
took me a while to make that sane^^21:11
adamsutton I'll take your word for it :p21:12
linuxstb Hmm, an affordable DVB-T modulator… http://www.idealez.com/hides/product-detail/en_US/7559521:14
adamsutton linuxstb: what crazy idea have you come up with now :p21:15
linuxstb Forget this IPTV business, and just convert all interesting DVB-S/S2 channels to DVB-T. Or rather, that's what I wanted to do a couple of years ago, but DVB-T modulators cost over £100021:17
p1ngb4ck adamsutton : could you link me that patch again that was related to the usage of dvb-scan-files?21:17
adamsutton its on github.com/tvheadend/tvheadend/pulls21:18
forget the number21:18
and its a good point, I need to fix the new config to use slightly diff values21:18
p1ngb4ck aaah have it, thx21:18
adamsutton so the current config is still subject to change21:18
but only in as much as some constants may change to make them more human friendly21:18
bugger, a crash21:21
but repeatable, that's something21:22
funky1 does a subscription to a channel eventually unsubscripe itself? i have lost power to my raspberry while watching tv, so it is turned off now, when i check in tvh webinterace i still see the subscription as active21:31
ah ok21:31
gone now, so takes a bit21:31
adamsutton can depend on exactly what's happened and how the various bits of hardware respond I htink21:39
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adamsutton what a spaghetti mess I've managed to create, argh!22:16
dickon Welcome to DVB...22:18
(But you really, really knew that)22:18
adamsutton problem is I've created nasty little loops in the code22:20
htsp_subscribe -> subscribe_reschedule -> service_start -> mux_stop -> flush mux subs -> which can remove subs in line so -> subscribe_reschedule22:21
which can cause the mux instance to start twice, which causes some safety asserts to go bang (at least they're there!)22:21
problem is that unsubscribe should really be out of that loop, but for mux subs I took some shortcuts (biting me now ofc)22:22
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linuxstb adamsutton: Thinking about a dvb-t modulator, it could be an interesting client for tvh - creating a virtual channel (or 2 or 3), which can be changed via some kind of remote, but distributed to all your home TVs over coax.22:35
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adamsutton ok, some more fixes push, see how that gets on, I've now got it running on my NAS and serving my bedroom TV22:51
bollocks and more bollocks22:56
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