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	2017-09-08
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audiatorix	Hey dudes. I'm still adjusting to 6's new regex system. Any idea why the following is producing this error?: No such method 'Letter' for invocant of type 'Match'	00:23
	my regex arg { <Letter>+ }	00:24
	my regex call { <arg>[\,\s<arg>] }	00:24
	'aa' ~~ /<call>/ # error produced here	00:24
raschipi	Where is letter defined?	00:25
audiatorix	It's one of the defaults, no?	00:25
	Or does it need to be L?	00:25
	Same error with L	00:25
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mr_ron	rakudo: my regex arg { <:Letter>+ }; say so "abc" ~~ /<arg>/	00:28
camelia	rakudo-moar 347da8: OUTPUT: «True␤»	00:28
audiatorix	Ah, needs the colon	00:28
raschipi	Yeah, it's missing the : to be a chaachter class.	00:28
audiatorix	Right, so char classes need colons and other regexes do not	00:29
	Thanks	00:29
raschipi	There's <alpha> without the colon too.	00:30
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raschipi	as a predefined subrule as you asked for	00:30
audiatorix	Yeah just saw that	00:30
	I was just testing out my knowledge before writing something more complicated to parse basically function calls	00:31
	making a templater	00:31
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AlexDaniel	switching to another laptop is harder than moving to another place :-S	00:41
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raschipi	audiatorix: remember to call a predefined regex with a dot in front to supress capture:	00:54
	m: say 'abc' ~~ /<alpha>+/; say 'def' ~~ /<.alpha>+/	00:54
camelia	rakudo-moar 347da8: OUTPUT: «｢abc｣␤ alpha => ｢a｣␤ alpha => ｢b｣␤ alpha => ｢c｣␤｢def｣␤»	00:54
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b2gills	AlexDaniel: I was locked out of my password manager once, because I was using a laptop that I hadn't used recently. (I eventually found a way to get in)	01:02
AlexDaniel	b2gills: :O	01:03
b2gills	It required using the /info cmd on IRC to get an IP address to SSH into	01:03
AlexDaniel	being locked out of your password manager sounds really horrible	01:05
	I do have backups of my passwords somewhere… maybe I should practice the emergency situation :-/	01:06
raschipi	AlexDaniel: Make sure you can restore from your backups, it's important.	01:07
AlexDaniel	well, my passwords is the only thing I have to backup. All code I write is in git repos (so also pushed somewhere), everything else I really don't care about	01:09
	not that I wouldn't be sad for a minute or two if I lose it, but I am not spending my time trying to create backups for it :)	01:09
raschipi	Buy a strong box and store your passwords there.	01:11
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AlexDaniel	alternatively, just upload it to github… then I only have to backup my private key :D	01:12
raschipi	How to you want to use your private key to access github without it's password?	01:13
AlexDaniel	it can be a public repo	01:14
raschipi	Instead make it passwordless, then. Then just keep it safe.	01:16
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audiatorix	Any idea why this regex is invalid?: -<[ \$ \, ]>+	01:34
	What I'm trying to achieve is "anything but literal $ or literal , one or more times"	01:34
geekosaur	shouldn't that start with <-[ instead of -<[ ?	01:35
audiatorix	Ah, so it should	01:36
	What's the logic behind that?	01:36
	[] on their own simply group	01:37
geekosaur	same reason an older regex does something different with [-... vs. -[...	01:37
	<> is a meta-operation of some kind, - prefix means invert, [] is char class. vs. without the <>, [ ] is non-capturing group	01:38
audiatorix	Ah okay, that's what I was thinking once I saw the answer	01:38
geekosaur	the first character after a < in a < > is special, - inverts the metaop, . prevents capturing (used with named rules like <ws> or <digit>) etc.	01:38
	(this is oversimplifying a bit)	01:39
audiatorix	Cool	01:40
	So, different question: in a grammar, how do I specify that, in a given place, either token A or token B may appear?	01:40
geekosaur	A \| B	01:42
audiatorix	<A> \| <B> ?	01:42
AlexDaniel	yea	01:42
geekosaur	with brackets around if it's part of a larger thing e.g. <foo> [ <bar> \| <baz> ] <quux>	01:43
AlexDaniel	or maybe \|\| if you care about order and not about longest token matching	01:43
audiatorix	And if I needed to use that more than once, would throwing it in a sub-regex make sense (so that a new token doesn't need to be created for it)	01:45
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AlexDaniel	“sub-regex”?	01:46
	I guess there's no problem with creating another token for it. But I don't know what would be the best practice	01:46
audiatorix	named regex	01:46
	I'm thinking if I make another token, it will make the structure more complex where it doesn't need to be	01:47
geekosaur	um, they all add the same complexity	01:47
	they just have different default behaviors	01:47
	(i.e. different default flags on the things they create, like :sigspace or :ratchet etc.)	01:48
audiatorix	Ah	01:48
	dang, I was thinking for some reason that `regex` didn't become part of the resulting structure when parsing	01:48
geekosaur	they're all just specialized variants of methods	01:49
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geekosaur	the closest you get to not adding more structure is an interpolating variable that isn't treated as a literal <$foo> and that has other issues, including performance and potential security concerns	01:51
[Coke]	n	01:51
	~>OA	01:51
audiatorix	Okay, I'll just have it twice in the TOP token	01:52
[Coke]	... weird.	01:52
audiatorix	not a huge deal	01:52
	Thanks a ton	01:52
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raschipi	audiatorix: I gave you the answer above, put them into another method but call it with a dot to avoid making the capture more complex.	01:55
	m: say 'abc' ~~ /<alpha>+/; say 'def' ~~ /<.alpha>+/	01:56
camelia	rakudo-moar 347da8: OUTPUT: «｢abc｣␤ alpha => ｢a｣␤ alpha => ｢b｣␤ alpha => ｢c｣␤｢def｣␤»	01:56
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audiatorix	Oh, so you did. My bad	01:59
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raschipi	audiatorix: Did my suggestion work?	04:18
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Geth	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer: c108ce774f \| (Zak B. Elep)++ \| 2 files	07:24
	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer: Split and rephrase lines in the footer	07:24
	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer:	07:24
	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer: The first paragraph/line was getting too long, so split it a bit and	07:24
	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer: rephrase to emphasize source location and actions to either report	07:24
	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer: issues and/or edit/fork.	07:24
	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer:	07:24
	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer: Fixes #1535.	07:24
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	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer: :lipstick: phrasing for "from POD6 at perl6/doc"...	07:25
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	¦ doc/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer: "From POD6 from perl6/doc" sounds odd...	07:25
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piojo	Have others gotten this error when trying to build?: "Unhandled exception: Unable to allocate an array of 8 elements"	07:40
	The first instance of the error is:	07:42
	perl.exe -MExtUtils::Command -e cp 3rdparty\dyncall\dyncallback\\*.h .rakudobrew\moar-blead-nom\install\include\dyncall Unhandled exception: Unable to allocate an array of 8 elements at <unknown>:1 (src/vm/moar/stage0/ModuleLoader.moarvm:) from <unknown>:1 (src/vm/moar/stage0/ModuleLoader.moarvm:<dependencies+deserialize>) from <unknown>:1 (src/vm/moar/stage0/nqp.moarvm:<dependencies+deserialize>)	07:42
	building on windows, and it worked last time I tried.	07:42
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travis-ci	Doc build passed. Zak B. Elep ':lipstick: phrasing for "from POD6 at perl6/doc"...	07:45
	https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/273197377 https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/c108ce774f43^...4cff7ee700c1	07:45
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piojo_	lemme ask a different question: the best way to build, if I'm not lazy, is to set up different directories for each repository and build/install each one separately?	08:01
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piojo_	Or do developers also use rakudobrew? It can't tell whether it's versatile enough to find the commit that breaks the build, for example	08:02
raschipi	I don't think anyone that builds on windows hangs around on IRC...	08:04
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raschipi	piojo_: I think you're the closest thing to a windows expert as there is in Perl6.	08:07
El_Che	stmuk_builds star on windows as well, so he probably knows more about the win build process	08:11
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piojo_	raschipi: haha. Someone must have made perl6 run on windows!	08:16
	raschipi: oh, I see. is stackoverflow a better place to go for windows-specific questions?	08:17
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raschipi	I have no idea where you'll fing perl6-on-windows users to help you, sorry.	08:18
piojo_	thanks. forget windows, then	08:19
	Is the right way to build perl6 to build nqp, moar, and rakudo one at a time?	08:19
	and to consider them separate projects which should be debugged (and git-bisected) totally separately?	08:20
	El_Che: is stumuk_ the person who makes star releases for win?	08:22
	*stmuk_, I mean	08:22
tyil	is there a zef command I can use to make it install all deps from a given META6.json?	08:29
zakame	cd to where the META6.json is then `zef install --deps-only .`	08:30
tyil	thanks :>	08:30
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Geth	¦ doc: c108ce774f \| (Zak B. Elep)++ \| 2 files	08:34
	¦ doc: Split and rephrase lines in the footer	08:34
	¦ doc:	08:34
	¦ doc: The first paragraph/line was getting too long, so split it a bit and	08:34
	¦ doc: rephrase to emphasize source location and actions to either report	08:34
	¦ doc: issues and/or edit/fork.	08:34
	¦ doc:	08:34
	¦ doc: Fixes #1535.	08:34
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c108ce774f	08:34
	¦ doc: 4cff7ee700 \| (Zak B. Elep)++ \| lib/Pod/Htmlify.pm6	08:34
	¦ doc: :lipstick: phrasing for "from POD6 at perl6/doc"...	08:34
	¦ doc:	08:34
	¦ doc: "From POD6 from perl6/doc" sounds odd...	08:34
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/4cff7ee700	08:34
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	¦ doc: Merge pull request #1541 from zakame/split-and-rephrase-lines-in-footer	08:34
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	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/3444fe4033	08:34
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stmuk_	piojo_: yes I build star on Windows every three months, although it's not my main platform of choice	08:46
piojo_	stmuk_: by the way, thank you for that service!	08:47
	stmuk_: so if I want to debug build problems, I should work with 3 separate repositories for nqp, moar, and rakudo?	08:47
stmuk_	yes and that applies to all platforms	08:48
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sumdoc	how to enabe autocompletion in Perl 6 REPL? Any idea?	08:48
	Autocompletion	08:49
piojo_	stmuk_: thanks. I assume the READMEs in the code are enough, without a lot of custom setup needed? (I'm not thinking modules, just the core perl6)	08:50
stmuk_	yes	08:50
	I use mingw gcc as shipped with strawberry perl or MSVC should also work	08:51
raschipi	sumdoc: You need linenoise.	08:51
stmuk_	at least for 64 bit (I don't think anyone has done a 32 bit build for a while)	08:51
raschipi	https://github.com/hoelzro/p6-linenoise/#tab-completion	08:51
piojo_	stmuk_: thanks, that's what I'm using too. I'll try to get it working, or at least find the bad commit soon	08:52
stmuk_	https://ci.appveyor.com/project/rakudo/rakudo/branch/nom/job/m7e6fwo5hwnug90w suggests the windows build is fine	08:52
	piojo_: I'll also try a build very shortly	08:52
piojo_	stmuk_: I think moar is the problem, not rakudo	08:52
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sumdoc	raschipi linenoise or readline !! Which one better?	08:53
stmuk_	yes that's usually the issue	08:53
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raschipi	sumdoc: readline doesn't have tab completion.	08:54
sumdoc	raschipi OK lemme build with linenoise	08:54
	raschipi what do you say about rlwrap?	08:55
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raschipi	I use rlwrap, but it also doesn't have tab completion.	08:56
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piojo_	raschipi: does rlwrap interfere with tab completion, if you use rlwrap+linenoise?	08:57
raschipi	I never tried it.	08:58
piojo_	and can linenoise be configured for <esc><backspace> to delete a whole word like it does with readline?	08:58
	eh, I should just read the docs. I'm sure it's answered somewhere	08:58
raschipi	zakame: your code is in effect now, go have a look.	08:59
zakame	thanks raschipi !	08:59
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sumdoc	raschipi OK I am going with Linenoise. But what was good about rlwrap than linenoise u r using rlwrap. Just a curiosity!!	09:06
raschipi	I don't install modules.	09:07
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sumdoc	raschipi Thanks	09:07
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raschipi	Oh oh...	09:18
	https://docs.perl6.org/routine.html has a ton of 404 links...	09:19
	https://docs.perl6.org/routine/.= for example	09:20
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tyil	I'm trying to run perl6 on FreeBSD, but I got the error "Missing serialize REPR function for REPR VMException (BOOTException)"	09:29
	it runs fine on Funtoo	09:29
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tyil	also, how would I go about running a perl 6 program as a daemon?	09:48
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stmuk_	tyil: I just built using rakudobrew on FreeBSD 11.1 and it worked fine for me	09:53
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tyil	hmm	09:54
stmuk_	maybe you have stuff hanging around from a older build?	09:54
tyil	the program I'm trying to run is https://github.com/scriptkitties/musashi, the command Im using to run it is perl6 -I/home/musashi/musashi/lib /home/musashi/musashi/bin/musashi.pl6	09:55
sumdoc	Linenoise build is failing in rakudo Any help?	09:55
	https://github.com/hoelzro/p6-linenoise/issues/22	09:55
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tyil	no, its a new vm with perl 6 built for the first time last night	09:55
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tyil	if it matters, I did not use rakudobrew, but just cloned https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo and ran perl Configure.pl --gen-moar --gen-nqp --backends=moar	09:56
sumdoc	Are there any dependencies for Linenoise?	09:57
stmuk_	sumdoc: just a C compiler	09:59
tyil	stmuk_: if I run the program as a service (https://github.com/scriptkitties/musashi/blob/master/files/musashi.rc), it starts correctly	10:02
	but it doesnt run as a background service yet, so that would be my next issue	10:02
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stmuk_	piojo_: yes I can reproduce the windows build failure "Unhandled exception: Unable to allocate an array of 8 elements"	10:27
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HoboWithAShotgun	good day you wonderful people. what's the perl 6 way of constraining a class' attribute?	10:44
Skarsnik	has Int $.attribute ?	10:45
HoboWithAShotgun	like i want a "has $.radians" that will only accept values between -pi and + pi	10:45
timotimo	if you want extra constraints, define a subset type and use that there	10:45
	m: subset Radians of Real where -pi < * < pi; class A { has Radians $.r }; say try A.new(r => 1); say try A.new(r => 4)	10:45
camelia	rakudo-moar 347da8: OUTPUT: «A.new(r => 1)␤Nil␤»	10:45
Skarsnik	fun	10:46
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Juerd	-pi to +pi? Why not 0 to tau?	10:47
timotimo	actually, any value between -Inf and Inf is a value in radians :P	10:48
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Juerd	Sure, but if you're limiting, wouldn't it make sense to limit that to 0 <= r < tau?	10:49
timotimo	m: say tau	10:49
camelia	rakudo-moar 347da8: OUTPUT: «6.28318530717959␤»	10:49
piojo_	stmuk_: thanks. I intend to do a git rebase, but I won't be able to until monday	10:50
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HoboWithAShotgun	ah, my code involves triangles, so only values between 0 and 90° make sense	10:58
	180° sorry	10:58
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HoboWithAShotgun	but it works, thanks. at first tests failed, but then i realized <= instead of <	11:00
	+ i need	11:00
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HoboWithAShotgun	allright, i now have this class: https://hastebin.com/kinucobije.pl which allows values between -360 and 360 degrees	11:16
	how do i now derive Angle::Triangle from that wich is identical only so it limits between 180 and -180	11:17
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HoboWithAShotgun	also, can i override the error message that i get when i assign an ivalid value to my subtype?	11:20
Skarsnik	probably with subset again ?	11:20
	HoboWithAShotgun goes rtfm	11:21
Skarsnik	m: class A { has $.x}; subset B of A where $.x < 20; say try A.new( a => 30; say try B.new( B => 30);	11:21
camelia	rakudo-moar 347da8: OUTPUT: «=== SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable $.x used where no 'self' is available␤at <tmp>:1␤------> ss A { has $.x}; subset B of A where $.x ⏏ < 20; say try A.new( a => 30; say try B ␤ expecting any of:␤ term␤»	11:21
Skarsnik	m: class A { has $.x}; subset B of A where $.x < 20; say try A.new( x => 30; say try B.new( x => 30);	11:21
camelia	rakudo-moar 347da8: OUTPUT: «=== SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable $.x used where no 'self' is available␤at <tmp>:1␤------> ss A { has $.x}; subset B of A where $.x ⏏ < 20; say try A.new( x => 30; say try B ␤ expecting any of:␤ term␤»	11:21
timotimo	https://github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-Subset-Helper	11:26
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stmuk_	timotimo: I have now!	12:03
	I have to go out shortly but can quickly look now and slowly look later	12:04
timotimo	OK!	12:04
	i hope it'll be enlightening	12:04
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[Coke]	(windows) I have a build I run occasionally.	12:08
	updated rakudo, rebuilding...	12:11
	(also if you're having a windows build issue, msvc or gcc?)	12:12
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sumdoc	I have updated the blog. Added about mounting the folder. https://sumdoc.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/how-to-run-perl-6-notebook/	12:24
[Coke]	I can't duplicate a win64 failure with strawberry perl, msvc, and nom/master/master	12:25
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galx	how can I use perl6 on WinXP	12:27
	?	12:27
timotimo	oh, huh, i don't know if anybody has tried that before	12:28
	have you tried just building it and seeing where it fails?	12:29
galx	no, but I can try	12:29
[Coke]	... xp?	12:29
galx	I have an old laptop with winxp installed	12:30
	i know it's crazy yeah :)	12:30
timotimo	building rakudo will need more than 1gb of ram	12:30
jnthn	If it's 64-bit then can always try one of the MSIs	12:30
timotimo	huh, i wasn't actually aware that windows xp already came in 64bit variants	12:31
	but i guess 64bit processors are not new at all	12:31
galx	it's 32	12:32
[Coke]	https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/docs/windows.md might help	12:32
galx	thank you!	12:32
[Coke]	... you may not have a version of VS2017 you can install; it is possible to build just using strawberry perl's toolchain.	12:33
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jast	windows xp x64 is fairly rare	12:33
timotimo	we don't require a very new visual studio	12:33
[Coke]	(ugh, also my MD formatting is wonky there, if anyone wants to try to clean that, I'd appreciate it. :\|	12:33
	timotimo: right, 2017 was just the one available in the demo copy of windows I grabbed.	12:34
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sumdoc	Is there a perl 6 package to work with web API?	14:35
moritz	HTTP::UserAgent	14:39
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timotimo	also WWW and the curl bindings	15:02
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b2gills	.ask TimToady I would like your input on a document for implementors of Perl 6 dialects since there are currently 2 that I know of https://gist.github.com/b2gills/7e2781dfd781368b63337c59bd751115	15:05
yoleaux	b2gills: I'll pass your message to TimToady.	15:05
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HoboWithAShotgun	I managed to create a Num variable that contains 10 which is not equal to 10	15:40
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timotimo	cool, what's your num - 10?	15:41
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HoboWithAShotgun	1.77635683940025e-15	15:47
	but then why does it print as 10?	15:47
	p6: my $l = sqrt(2) * 10; my $d = 45; my $r = $d / 360 * tau; my $y = sin( $r ) * $l; my $x = sqrt( $l2 - $y2 ); say $x == $y;	15:48
camelia	rakudo-moar e5a600: OUTPUT: «False␤»	15:48
HoboWithAShotgun	the trig functions and tau probably produce rounding errors	15:49
	p6: my $l = sqrt(2) * 10; my $d = 45; my $r = $d / 360 * tau; my $y = sin( $r ) * $l; my $x = sqrt( $l2 - $y2 ); say $x; say $y;	15:53
camelia	rakudo-moar e5a600: OUTPUT: «10␤10␤»	15:53
tbrowder	.tell nine I just filed issue #101 with Inline::Perl5; failure using Expect::Simple	15:53
yoleaux	tbrowder: I'll pass your message to nine.	15:53
HoboWithAShotgun	see? outputs as 10 even though x is 10.00000000...whatver	15:53
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HoboWithAShotgun	.tell mum I gonna be late for dinner	15:58
yoleaux	HoboWithAShotgun: I'll pass your message to mum.	15:58
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ilmari	tbrowder: works for me	16:33
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ilmari	how do you get the version of a loaded module in perl6? like perl5's Foo->VERSION or $Foo::VERSION?	16:38
ugexe	in perl6 its just $*REPO.need(CompUnit::DependencySpecification.new(:short-name<Foo>)).distribution.meta<ver>	16:39
Skarsnik	'just'	16:41
ilmari	ah, so intuitive	16:41
	very discoverable	16:41
moritz	we might want a shortcut for that :-)	16:41
ugexe	also it only works for ::Installable repos, ::FileSystem ones dont set a CompUnit.distribution	16:42
	https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1132 would allow it to work with ::FileSystem however.	16:43
	the short-cut would be to somehow hook up META6.json info to ::Foo.^ver	16:44
ilmari	huh, doesn't perl6's -M take an import list?	16:46
ugexe	i dont think our -M does anything but take the short name	16:47
	e.g. `-M "Test:ver<6.c>"` does not work while `-e 'use Test:ver<6.c>` does	16:49
	ilmari wanted to write a V module like perl5 has	16:49
ilmari	perl5 -MV=Foo # shows all versions of Foo in @INC	16:49
ugexe	all versions of Foo in @INC doesn't mean the same thing as in perl6 though	16:51
ilmari	all versions in $*REPO.repo-chain?	16:53
ugexe	let me rephrase: it wouldnt suffice for determining which version of something will get used	16:54
	i guess thats the same as @INC though with use lib, so nm	16:55
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ingy	I just noticed that: perl6 -e 'say "ok" while True' \| head	16:57
	doesn't terminate like perl5 does	16:58
ilmari	Unhandled exception: Failed to write bytes to filehandle: Broken pipe	16:58
	but exit status zero?!	17:00
ingy	that's bash	17:00
	the exit code of head	17:00
ilmari	doh	17:00
ugexe	m: say $REPO.repo-chain.map(.?installed()).grep(.defined).map(.Slip).grep({ .meta<name> eq "Test" \|\| (.meta<provides>{"Test"}:exists) }).map(*.meta<ver version>.first); # this is the logic part anyway	17:00
camelia	rakudo-moar e5a600: OUTPUT: «(v6.c)␤»	17:00
ingy	I don't get the broken pipe	17:01
	it just hangs	17:01
ilmari	yes, with set -o pipefail (not popefail, as I first typed) it shows exit status 1 from perl6	17:01
	which version?	17:01
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ingy	python -c 'while True:print("ok")' \| head # gives a broken pipe	17:01
	yes \| head # seems like nice behaviour	17:02
	This is Rakudo version 2017.04.3 built on MoarVM version 2017.04-53-g66c6dda	17:02
	on mac	17:02
ilmari	perl5 exits with status 141 but no message	17:02
ingy	so does `yes` !	17:03
	141	17:03
	that's a 13	17:03
	141 - 128	17:03
ilmari	which is SIGPIPE	17:04
	but now, pubtime!	17:04
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ingy	so that's probably what perl6 should do	17:05
	if anyone cares	17:05
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BooK	I'm testing radical changes to Bool by taking all concerned lines from src/Perl6/Metamodel/BOOTSTRAP.nqp and in src/core/Bool.pm and s/Bool/Foo/ to test them faster, and in isolation, without needing to recompile between attempts	18:25
	is that something that could work?	18:25
	Right now, I get: Type 'stub' is not declared. Did you mean 'Sub'?	18:26
	so I assume I need to load some definition for stub	18:26
jnthn	For code in CORE.setting it's often a fine approach	18:26
	For something that is so bootstrap-sensitive, there's a very high chance of things not working when put back later	18:26
	`stub` is actually a non-standard language extension only in NQP, for the sake of the bootstrap. It doesn't exist in real Perl 6.	18:27
	So that bit can't really be copied out, but you could simulate it with a stub class in full Perl 6	18:27
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BooK	ok	18:28
	the line I was replacing was: my stub Bool metaclass Perl6::Metamodel::EnumHOW { ... };	18:29
	so just dropping the stub would do it	18:30
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cono	is there any way to define alternation in regexp with backtracking ?	18:36
yoleaux	6 Sep 2017 12:43Z <Zoffix> cono: the latest and greatest Rakudo has a fix for your issue. You should be getting your Any again: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d0d105b8b6	18:36
cono	already seen this, thanks :)	18:37
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cono	https://gist.github.com/cono/30bd6392856626771c747ddaa29471b0 so, I want if <number> fails it backtrack and tries <tree-op> token	18:38
	\| - longest, \|\| - left associated, I want some "\\" which going to be left associated but with backtracking, so if first token in alternation fails, it tries next one	18:41
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cono	in this case: 1 + 2 + 3, will be something like expr( tree-op(tree-op(number(1), op('+'), number(2)), op('+'), number(3)) )	18:44
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jnthn	cono: Are you writing this in a token/rule?	18:51
	ah, you linked code and I missed it :)	18:51
Geth	¦ doc/molecules-patch-2: 65cf7b1d1b \| (Christopher Bottoms)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| doc/Type/IO/Socket/Async.pod6	18:51
	¦ doc/molecules-patch-2: Fixed three space indent	18:51
	¦ doc/molecules-patch-2: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/65cf7b1d1b	18:51
BooK	how can I initialize a sigilless version of Bool to do the equivalent of the stub in npq? I think my \Bool2 := ...; and then I can call the stuff found in bootstrap on that new name, the first of which would be Bool2.HOW.set_base_type(BooK, Int);	18:53
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BooK	etc	18:54
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BooK	I want to first build a Bool2 identical to the regular Bool, and then tweak it so that it can do the Enumeration role, and we can remove the duplication	18:54
jnthn	BooK: Probably something like Metamodel::EnumHOW.new_type(:name('Bool2'))	18:55
	cono: The thing is that token (and rule) mean that backtracking state should not be retained	18:55
	cono: \|\| if a regex will indeed backtrack	18:55
	cono: If you replace token with regex in the first 3 rules it seems to work out	18:55
moritz	or maybe my \Bool2 = Bool but Enumeration;	18:56
Geth	¦ doc: d15be280c7 \| (Christopher Bottoms)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| doc/Type/IO/Socket/Async.pod6	18:56
	¦ doc: Does this resolve #1538?	18:56
	¦ doc:	18:56
	¦ doc: Does simply removing the `if` statement resolve #1538?	18:56
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	¦ doc: Merge pull request #1540 from perl6/molecules-patch-2	18:56
	¦ doc:	18:57
	¦ doc: Does this resolve #1538?	18:57
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c0596fe916	18:57
BooK	moritz: the plan is to test writing a different implementation of Bool, without having to recompile every time I change a thing	18:57
	so writing Bool2 without depending on Bool explicitely, just copy-pasting	18:57
	jnthn bbl	18:58
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BooK	m: BEGIN { use nqp; my \Bool2 := Metamodel::EnumHOW.new_type(:name<Bool2>, :base_type(Int)); Bool2.HOW.set_base_type(Bool2, Int); }	19:00
camelia	rakudo-moar e5a600: OUTPUT: «=== SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤An exception occurred while evaluating a BEGIN␤at <tmp>:1␤Exception details:␤ === SORRY!=== Error while compiling ␤ Base type has already been set for Bool2␤ at :␤»	19:00
cono	jnthn: thanks! :)	19:01
BooK	m: BEGIN { use nqp; my \Bool2 := Metamodel::EnumHOW.new_type(:name<Bool2>); Bool2.HOW.set_base_type(Bool2, Int); }	19:02
camelia	rakudo-moar e5a600: ( no output )	19:02
BooK	mmm	19:02
	I think that failed later	19:03
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BooK	right, it gave me: getstaticcode requires a static coderef	19:09
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moritz	if you install methods with add_method or so, you might needs to wrap the code in nqp::getstaticcode()	19:11
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BooK	moritz: the error comes from this line: Bool2.HOW.add_method(Bool2, 'key', nqp::getstaticcode(sub ($self) { nqp::getattr_s(nqp::decont($self), Bool2, '$!key'); }));	19:19
tbrowder	ilmari: my bad, my Inline::Perl5 was too old--an upgrade fixed it. I think I'll add a cron job to upgrade all modules every week or so...	19:19
BooK	so I guess the question is "how do I make that sub a static coderef?	19:19
tbrowder	.tell nine my version was too old, closing issue 101	19:19
yoleaux	tbrowder: I'll pass your message to nine.	19:19
BooK	(going to lose network soon, the plane is about to take off)	19:21
moritz	BooK: looks good to me, assuming that $!key is set up correctly first	19:24
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moritz	ah, self.actions	20:13
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moritz	book-driven development	20:24
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BooK	while in the plane I played around with IO::Socket::INET, and got this strange behaviour	20:55
	This code: say "Accepted {IO::Socket::INET.new(:localhost<localhost>, :localport(4444), :listen).accept}";	20:55
	does what's expected when running `telnet localhost 4444`, but hangs with `nc localhost 4444`	20:56
Skarsnik	does localhost is ipv6?	20:56
BooK	more importantly, nc dies this: localhost [127.0.0.1] 4444 (?) : Connection refused	20:56
	the default for INET is ipv4	20:57
Skarsnik	connect does not pass the Inet family for example	20:57
	I would not be surprised listen does not the then xD	20:58
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Skarsnik	yep it's ignored	21:00
ugexe	:localhost<127.0.0.1>	21:01
BooK	Skarsnik: so telnet is doing ipv6 and nc ipv4 ? and perl6 defaults to ipv6 ?	21:01
Skarsnik	moar does not use the sa-family from Rakudo at all	21:01
	BooK, moar will get what is the first sa family the system return for localhost	21:02
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geekosaur	actually that would be a bit odd because telnet6 is not quite the same protocol	21:02
Skarsnik	for me it's ipv6	21:02
geekosaur	hm, looks like linux's does merge them these days though	21:03
	so you'd want to verify with: telnet -4 ...	21:03
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Skarsnik	not sure if that should be fixed or just documented x)	21:04
BooK	you're saying that the socket new gets the famiky from the name rsolution?	21:06
Skarsnik	yes	21:06
	https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/master/src/io/syncsocket.c#L302 and https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/master/src/io/syncsocket.c#L270	21:07
BooK	so even if I passed an explicit family it would overriden by the one from the resolution	21:07
Skarsnik	yes, since it's never used	21:08
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BooK	well if name resolution returns several candidates, it could look at the family and pick	21:08
Skarsnik	I think IO::Socket::INET is not really the focus but more IO::Socket::Async	21:08
BooK	I think it should be vonsidered a bug and will try to write it up	21:10
Skarsnik	I could patch up since I already added stuff in that (to add source address and source port in connect)	21:11
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galx	m:	21:23
	I have a problem	21:25
	https://pastebin.com/vMvRFr8M	21:25
	I want `a` token to match "abc def" and `b` token to match "etc."	21:26
	but it fails anyway	21:26
	how to do that correctly?	21:26
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BooK	Skarsnik: reading your links now	21:44
	oh so it's in MoarVM?	21:45
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BooK	where is the link between rakudo and moarvm done? nqp?	21:46
Skarsnik	probably rakudo/core/io/Socket/INET.pm6 ?	21:48
	there is no nqp side for connect	21:48
MasterDuke	BooK: generally yes, nqp:: ops are implemented by moarvm	21:49
cono	m: grammar Grammar { regex TOP { ^^ <a> <ws> <b> $$ }; regex a { <word>+ % <ws> }; token word { <alpha>+ }; regex b { <alpha>+ "." }; }; Grammar.parse("abc def etc.").say	21:49
camelia	rakudo-moar 591b93: OUTPUT: «｢abc def etc.｣␤ a => ｢abc def｣␤ word => ｢abc｣␤ alpha => ｢a｣␤ alpha => ｢b｣␤ alpha => ｢c｣␤ ws => ｢｣␤ word => ｢def｣␤ alpha => ｢d｣␤ alpha => ｢e｣␤ alpha => ｢f｣␤ ws => ｢｣␤…»	21:49
cono	galx: ^^	21:49
Skarsnik	buggable, find listen	21:50
cono	by doing <alpha>+ % "something> you are asking to make <alpha> "something" <alpha> "something" up to infinity	21:50
Skarsnik	don't remember wich bot allow to grep in the code x)	21:50
BooK	right, https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm#L122 and https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm#L132	21:50
	so in there, there is a default of PIO::PF_INET i.e. IPv4	21:52
cono	and rule also should be changed to regex, to make backtracking mechanism possible	21:52
MasterDuke	Skarsnik: greppable6 searches all the ecosystem modules	21:52
BooK	but the name resolution is not done there	21:52
Skarsnik	yeah and moar does not get this info	21:52
BooK	note sure what $PIO is here: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm#L117	21:52
MasterDuke	s: IO::Socket::INET.new, 'listen'	21:52
SourceBaby	MasterDuke, Something's wrong: ␤ERR: Type check failed in binding to parameter '&code'; expected Callable but got Nil (Nil)␤ in sub do-sourcery at /home/zoffix/services/lib/CoreHackers-Sourcery/lib/CoreHackers/Sourcery.pm6 (CoreHackers::Sourcery) line 42␤ in sub sourcery at /home/zoffix/services/lib/CoreHackers-Sourcery/lib/CoreHackers/Sourcery.pm6 (CoreHackers::Sourcery) line 33␤ in block <unit> at -e line 6␤␤	21:52
BooK	s: IO::Socket::INET.new, :listen # I think	21:53
SourceBaby	BooK, Something's wrong: ␤ERR: ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling -e␤Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')'␤at -e:7␤------> <BOL><HERE><EOL>␤	21:53
BooK	s: IO::Socket::INET.new( :listen ) # better	21:53
SourceBaby	BooK, Something's wrong: ␤ERR: ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling -e␤Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')'␤at -e:7␤------> <BOL><HERE><EOL>␤	21:54
MasterDuke	s: IO::Socket::INET.new, \(:listen)	21:54
SourceBaby	MasterDuke, Something's wrong: ␤ERR: Earlier failures:␤ Nothing given for new socket to connect or bind to. Invalid arguments to .new?␤ in block <unit> at -e line 6␤␤Final error:␤ Cannot resolve caller sourcery(Failure, Capture); none of these signatures match:␤ ($thing, Str:D $method, Capture $c)␤ ($thing, Str:D $method)␤ (&code)␤ (&code, Capture $c)␤ in block <unit> at -e line 6␤␤	21:54
BooK	anyways	21:54
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BooK	https://github.com/perl6/nqp/blob/master/src/vm/moar/QAST/QASTOperationsMAST.nqp#L2047 # this is where the link is made, right?	21:58
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BooK	Skarsnik: https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/master/src/io/syncsocket.c#L231-L233 # this look interesting	22:01
perlpilot	cono: I dunno ... using token like that is a good habit to get into. It's only the `a` rule that really needs backtracking.	22:01
cono	BooK: you can look to my series of ticket to add get_port op: https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/pull/602, there is a cross links between moar nqp and rakudo	22:01
	perlpilot: a and TOP	22:02
	b should token, agree	22:03
	should be*	22:03
Skarsnik	BooK, na it's just to tell you the returned type for this function is not good if you get a ipv6 stuff, but it kinda work since the 2 struct for ipv4/ip6 start the same	22:04
	anyways, time for bed ^^	22:05
perlpilot	m: grammar G { rule TOP { <a> <b> }; regex a { <word>+ % <.ws> }; token b { <word> \. }; token word { <.alpha>+ }; }; say G.parse("abc def etc.");	22:05
camelia	rakudo-moar 591b93: OUTPUT: «｢abc def etc.｣␤ a => ｢abc def｣␤ word => ｢abc｣␤ word => ｢def｣␤ b => ｢etc.｣␤ word => ｢etc｣␤»	22:05
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BooK	cono: well, I'm not wanting to add a new op, just fix this one	22:06
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cono	perlpilot: heh, thanks. works indeed	22:07
BooK	well, I disagree with Skarsnik: MVM_io_resolve_host_name is what returns the socket to be used, and if the Perl6 IO::Socket::INET gave a family, that should be a hint on which to pick when there's a choice	22:08
	https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/master/src/io/syncsocket.c#L242 # result here is a linked list	22:09
	but moar just picks the first item in the list	22:09
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BooK	I'd say that family should be passed, and the first item in the list that match the family spec is return	22:10
	and still the first is no family is given	22:10
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BooK	do I make sense ?	22:10
	struct addrinfo has this as its last item: struct addrinfo *ai_next;	22:12
	"The items in the linked list are linked by the ai_next field."	22:12
	luckily, MVM_io_resolve_host_name is not used it too many places	22:13
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BooK	writing a moarvm bug report for the issue	23:18
	the problem is that it requires a signature change, I think	23:18
	https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/issues/683 # I hope this makes sense	23:24
raschipi	BooK: Makes sense, but can't it be solved by having a multi? If one uses the old call, and if they send the list they would ge the new one?	23:28
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BooK	raschipi: in which language? nqp?	23:29
	rakudo should definitely use the new call, because it's supposed to ask for a specific family	23:30
	I understand changing the signature of MVM_io_resolve_host_name creates some compatibility problems, but I'm not versed enough in C or MoarVM to propose a good solution to that	23:31
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BooK	https://design.perl6.org/S32/IO.html#IO%3A%3ASocket%3A%3AINET # I see this was not the most fleshed out part of the design docs	23:37
raschipi	I have to mention there's a RIGTH THING™ to do when picking an AF_INET family to communicate: happy eyebals, RFC 6555	23:41
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