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	2018-07-27
benjiikun	https://github.com/ijneb/telegram-bot	00:02
	My bot is kind of a half-butted way of doing it	00:02
	with just returning a tap	00:02
	but cro does some clever signature constraint stuff to pass a single block	00:02
	I'm making a mockup of that for you now	00:02
Qwerasd	Thanks a ton!	00:03
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benjiikun	Qwerasd: https://gist.github.com/ijneb/ddd7ebe6a35b12a6ef1d1c7ceb311cc5	00:15
	This is how cro gets the `route { get -> '/' { #do stuff } }` form for reacting to changes	00:16
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Qwerasd	Interesting.	00:17
benjiikun	And then it passes the `handlers { get '/' { }; get '/home' { }; ... }` for internal usage	00:19
	I think it's a neat form for a library's purpose	00:19
	So if you call $h() in that example, it will extract the 'hello' parameter as a constraint	00:20
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benjiikun	I just realized I typod my nick to have two `i`s lol	00:29
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Qwerasd	Is it possible to dynamically assemble a grammar? If so how?	00:40
timotimo	well, EVAL can do it	00:40
Qwerasd	True but I	00:41
	Oops enter too soon.	00:41
timotimo	otherwise, a grammar is "just a class", and you can create that during runtime through the MOP	00:41
Qwerasd	True but I'm apt to shy away from EVAL	00:41
timotimo	regexes/rules etc inside a grammar are also "just methods", so they can be added at runtime as well	00:41
Qwerasd	Basically I want to assemble my TOP based on a function signature I'm iterating through. How can I do that?	00:42
timotimo	right, i don't think that can be done without either EVAL or the compiler in general	00:42
Qwerasd	Well, guess I'll have to use EVAL :\	00:43
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benjikun	Based on what about the function signature Qwerasd?	00:44
Qwerasd	The type of each argument etc.	00:45
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benjikun	Couldn't you just iterate through the signature in the TOP method of the grammar and decide what rules to use from there?	00:46
Qwerasd	You can do that?	00:46
benjikun	https://docs.perl6.org/language/grammars#Methods_in_Grammar	00:47
Qwerasd	Oh neat. That works then :p	00:47
benjikun	:)	00:47
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Qwerasd	Thanks	00:48
benjikun	anytime	00:48
Qwerasd	How would I return tokens though, exactly?	00:49
	Would returning a string work?	00:49
	like return "<token1> <token2>"	00:49
	I don't feel like it would.	00:49
timotimo	you can use strings interpolated as regex, which is more or less equivalent to EVAL	00:50
Qwerasd	Oh nice that would work? That makes me happy.	00:51
timotimo	has to be like regex use-the-string { <$my-string-which-is-a-regex> }	00:51
Qwerasd	Err can you show what my example would be like as a return statement then?	00:52
timotimo	won't work with just a return, i'm afraid	00:52
Qwerasd	Oh?	00:52
	I'm confused now.	00:52
	If I'm in the TOP method how do I turn my string in to the used regex.	00:53
timotimo	hmm	00:53
	you could probably have an attribute that has the string-to-be-used in it	00:53
Qwerasd	I... don't understand.	00:54
timotimo	and then TOP would just look like regex TOP { <{ $!string-to-be-used }> }	00:54
Qwerasd	Oh?	00:54
	So I don't iterate inside of the TOP method?	00:54
timotimo	if $!string-to-be-used is already the whole thing, then no, that should be fine	00:55
Qwerasd	OK thanks. I think I get it.	00:55
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Qwerasd	I keep getting this error with no stacktrace, (It's being caught in a try/catch) is there a way I could force a stacktrace?	01:06
lookatme	... can do this	01:07
Qwerasd	Err, how? Basically what should my CATCH block look like?	01:07
lookatme	CATCH { when foo { }; when bar { }; default { }; }	01:08
Qwerasd	I want to resume the error after it happens.	01:08
	How can I get the stacktrace of an error?	01:08
lookatme	oh, you mean get the stack trace ?	01:09
timotimo	check the methods that Exception has	01:09
	m: .name.say for Exception.^methods	01:09
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «backtrace␤vault-backtrace␤reset-backtrace␤throw␤rethrow␤resume␤die␤fail␤is-compile-time␤Str␤gist␤BUILDALL␤»	01:09
lookatme	https://docs.perl6.org/type/Exception	01:09
Qwerasd	Probably .backtrace, right?	01:09
lookatme	yeah, you better read the documents	01:09
MasterDuke	Qwerasd: also, you know about --ll-exception ?	01:15
benjikun	I think he wants for it to continue working after it fails	01:15
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geekosaur	that doesn't make it stop, it just includes parts of the backtrace that go into the setting	01:18
benjikun	oh, woops	01:19
geekosaur	as such, probably not useful here unless you're debugging rakudo internals	01:19
timotimo	all you have to do to make it not rethrow (which is what stops the program) is to match the type with a "when" block, or by having a "default" block	01:19
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Qwerasd	Cannot resolve caller Str(Mu: Command::Parser); none of these signatures match: (Mu:U \v: %_) (Mu:D $: %_)	01:22
	I did something wrong with a grammar I think. I'm getting this.	01:22
lookatme	Can you paste your code to somewhere	01:24
Qwerasd	I'll try to recreate it out of the context of my gigantic module.	01:24
	https://hastebin.com/ebudoheqoc.p6	01:27
geekosaur	hm. wonder if it's calling the wrong Str	01:30
Qwerasd	So it may be a problem with the name I gave to the token?	01:30
geekosaur	conceivably	01:30
Qwerasd	yuuup	01:31
	That was the problem	01:31
geekosaur	you'll get the same with Int, then	01:31
Qwerasd	Mhm, gonna lowercase em all	01:31
geekosaur	that type exists too	01:31
	(native string, for NativeCall)	01:31
Qwerasd	Does it? Cause lowercasing it fixed it.	01:31
	I guess maybe... _Str? I want to make it similar because I'm directly shoving type names in.	01:32
timotimo	nativecall isn't exactly what str is for	01:32
Kaiepi	aren't native strings NativeCall::CStr?	01:35
geekosaur	maybe	01:35
Qwerasd	Now how do I typecast things parsed by a grammar?	01:35
	Using grammar actions I assume?	01:37
Kaiepi	yeah	01:38
	m: grammar Foo::Grammar { token TOP { <a> }; token a { a } }; class Foo::Actions { method TOP($/ --> Int) { make $<a>.ast }; method a($/ --> Int) { make ~$/.ord } }; say Foo::Grammar.parse('a', actions => Foo::Actions.new)	01:39
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «Type check failed for return value; expected Int but got Str ("97")␤ in method a at <tmp> line 1␤ in regex a at <tmp> line 1␤ in regex TOP at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»	01:39
Kaiepi	m: grammar Foo::Grammar { token TOP { <a> }; token a { a } }; class Foo::Actions { method TOP($/ --> Int) { make $<a>.ast }; method a($/ --> Int) { make $/.ord } }; say Foo::Grammar.parse('a', actions => Foo::Actions.new)	01:39
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «｢a｣␤ a => ｢a｣␤»	01:39
Kaiepi	m: grammar Foo::Grammar { token TOP { <a> }; token a { a } }; class Foo::Actions { method TOP($/ --> Int) { make $<a>.ast }; method a($/ --> Int) { make $/.ord } }; say Foo::Grammar.parse('a', actions => Foo::Actions.new).ast	01:40
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «97␤»	01:40
Kaiepi	there we go	01:40
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Qwerasd	Hmm this function is saying too many positionals when passed 2 arguments but it has a signature of Str $foo, Int $bar = 1	01:44
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Qwerasd	Oh wait I think I see the issue.	01:46
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Geth	¦ perl6-most-wanted: aa0d01730b \| (Ben Davies)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| most-wanted/modules.md	01:55
	¦ perl6-most-wanted: Add WIP link for Net::Telnet	01:55
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raschipi	.tell moritz What do you think about putting the content from perl6book.com into perl6.org/resources/ and then you pull the content from there. I think it would solve all the problems. Fell free to ignore if you think it's a silly idea because your content doesn't fit in the Perl6 site.	02:23
yoleaux	raschipi: I'll pass your message to moritz.	02:23
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Qwerasd	I cannot for the life of me figure out why this grammar.parse is returning nil.	02:34
	Cloning the code out of context and setting the values makes it not do so so I'm very confused.	02:34
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benjikun	Qwerasd: can you make a gist of it	02:36
Qwerasd	No because in context it's 16 files, a network connection, and an API key. Out of context I can't reproduce the issue.	02:37
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Zoffix	eco: Grammar::Debugger	02:39
yoleaux	26 Jul 2018 20:12Z <brrt> Zoffix: - repsectfully, and given the heat with the intent of not letting annoyance grow bigger, that is not what I said	02:39
buggable	Zoffix, Grammar::Debugger 'Simple tracing and debugging support for Perl 6 grammars': http://modules.perl6.org/dist/Grammar::Debugger:github:N'A	02:39
yoleaux	26 Jul 2018 20:13Z <brrt> Zoffix: what I said was, since there is an intent to release a version, and there is a blocking bug that is hard to fix, we may circumvent it for now, and do a point release later	02:39
Zoffix	Qwerasd: ^ you can install that module and it comes with a debugger that'll let you see why it's returning Nil as well as with Grammar::Tracer that is similar, but just does the trace of the matching process	02:40
Qwerasd	Ok thanks.	02:40
Zoffix	Just `use` one of those modules and it'll enable the mode: https://tpm-regex.perl6.party/#/50	02:40
	And here's how the trace looks like: https://tpm-regex.perl6.party/#/51	02:41
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Zoffix	:(	02:44
Qwerasd	Grammar::Tracer is spitting out this error at me (Without it enabled the grammar in question works fine): Cannot invoke this object (REPR: Null; VMNull)	02:45
Zoffix	:( bummer	02:46
	What version of Perl 6 are you using?	02:46
Qwerasd	Rakudo Star version 2018.04.1	02:46
Zoffix	no idea :/	02:47
Qwerasd	Is there a way to get a grammar to return an array of each token from TOP? (ex. TOP { <a> ' ' <b> ', ' <c> } -> [a, b, c])	02:51
Zoffix	You'd have to make TOP a method and make it parse with something and then make an Array. Or have the Actions class make the array for you	02:55
	m: grammar { rule TOP { <a> <b> <c> }; token a { "a" }; token b { "b" }; token c { "c" } }.parse("a b c", actions => class { method TOP ($/) { make $<a b c>».Str.Array } }).made.say	02:55
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «[a b c]␤»	02:55
Zoffix	Qwerasd: BTW, you could try changing a bunch of tokens from rules/tokens to `regex` (or use :!ratchet adverb in them). Lack of backtracing in token/rule is a pretty common cause of a failed parse	02:56
	Also, I assume you know it has to parse the string from very start to very end, otherwise it'll fail the parse (it'	02:56
Qwerasd	Yes I know.	02:57
Zoffix	ok	02:57
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benjikun	Zoffix: when are your presentations	02:59
Zoffix	In the past :)	03:00
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benjikun	oof	03:03
	where can I find them?	03:03
Zoffix	Eventually they'll be posted here, I'm assuming: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3xi2HEaL9W9v2fNfW61Zdg	03:05
	Slides are at https://tpm-regex.perl6.party/ and https://tpm-perf.perl6.party/	03:08
Qwerasd	Oh god this is a headache.	03:09
Zoffix	Qwerasd: :) sounds like a good time to take a break :)	03:09
Qwerasd	Yeah, and a good time to sleep. It's 11 PM. Sleep will probably help. (Fingers crossed)	03:10
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benjikun	I went to sleep at 6am	03:10
Qwerasd	gn	03:11
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benjikun	night	03:11
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raschipi	Zoffix: Very nice slides, I'm eager to see the presentations.	03:30
benjikun	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paa3niF72Nw	03:35
	raschipi: found it!	03:35
raschipi	I already watched that one a long time ago, it's from 2016.	03:36
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benjikun	oh	03:43
	oof	03:43
	didnt look at the time posted	03:43
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Geth	¦ doc: 965c2f4633 \| (Ben Davies)++ \| doc/Language/grammars.pod6	04:54
	¦ doc: Document grammar attributes	04:54
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/965c2f4633	04:54
	¦ doc: afd5944dd5 \| (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| doc/Language/grammars.pod6	04:54
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synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/grammars	04:54
Geth	¦ doc:	04:54
	¦ doc: Document grammar attributes	04:54
	¦ doc: Thanks a lot!	04:54
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/afd5944dd5	04:54
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	¦ doc: Decapitalize and rewrite a bit	05:00
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moritz	\o	05:09
yoleaux	02:23Z <raschipi> moritz: What do you think about putting the content from perl6book.com into perl6.org/resources/ and then you pull the content from there. I think it would solve all the problems. Fell free to ignore if you think it's a silly idea because your content doesn't fit in the Perl6 site.	05:09
moritz	.tell rashipi you are welcome to reuse the contents of perl6book.com on perl6.org. When perl6.org has all the relevant information (and book covers), I'll consider making perl6book.com a redirect	05:10
yoleaux	moritz: I'll pass your message to rashipi.	05:10
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benjikun	o/	05:11
	m: -> --> 1 { }()	05:11
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: ( no output )	05:11
benjikun	m: say -> --> 1 { }();	05:11
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «1␤»	05:11
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benjikun	m: ->-->0{}()	05:17
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: ( no output )	05:17
benjikun	interesting looking	05:17
Geth	¦ doc: e03987d63d \| (JJ Merelo)++ \| doc/Language/operators.pod6	05:18
	¦ doc: Checking around postfix calls	05:18
	¦ doc:	05:18
	¦ doc: Rephrased `.:` which used colonpair (which is clearly	05:18
	¦ doc: not). Eliminated index entry "postfix call" which didn't make a lot of	05:18
synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/operators	05:18
Geth	¦ doc: sense. And closes #1346, although that had been solved before.	05:18
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/e03987d63d	05:18
benjikun	m: my \say = 1; say.say.say.say;	05:24
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «1␤True␤True␤»	05:24
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Geth	¦ doc: 5a4d7cf20b \| (JJ Merelo)++ \| doc/Language/grammars.pod6	05:54
	¦ doc: Fixes categories refs #1410	05:54
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/5a4d7cf20b	05:54
synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/grammars	05:54
jmerelo	benjikun: yep, say returns True	05:55
	benjikun: and say method is different from say sigilless variable, I guess...	05:56
benjikun	mhm	05:57
	m: my \say = 1; say say say say;	05:57
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «=== SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Two terms in a row␤at <tmp>:1␤------> my \say = 1; say ⏏ say say say; ␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ statement modifier␤ …»	05:57
benjikun	only knows because I was using it as a method	05:57
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jmerelo	Warning: bumpy road ahead.	05:59
	There's something wrong with docs.perl6.org	06:00
benjikun	again?	06:00
	what's up with it now	06:00
jmerelo	the search.js file is out of sync, and it's not being generated	06:00
	benjikun: let me see if I found out what's the problem...	06:00
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jmerelo	OK, it's synced now. I don't know what's happened, but it's OK now.	06:09
benjikun	woo	06:11
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Geth	¦ doc: e85d8d1948 \| (JJ Merelo)++ \| doc/Language/exceptions.pod6	06:18
	¦ doc: General revision of the Exceptions page	06:18
	¦ doc:	06:18
	¦ doc: Reflow, elimination of capitals and stuff, but also eliminates the Try	06:18
	¦ doc: category (refs #1410) and the incorrect indexing of Try. This would	06:18
synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/exceptions	06:18
Geth	¦ doc: close the nicely numbered 2222 issue: closes #2222	06:18
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jmerelo	lizmat: hi	07:01
	lizmat: there was something I wanted to ask you. But I forgot what.	07:01
	lizmat: let me see if I find it again...	07:01
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jmerelo	lizmat: I should have opened an issue...	07:05
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jmerelo	lizmat: OK, after some digging among recently edited files and visited pages, here it is.	07:19
	lizmat: is this true? https://docs.perl6.org/language/faq.html#Can_I_use_Perl_5_modules_from_Perl_6? I seem to remember you mentioned something about that in your talk in Arnhem	07:20
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El_Che	jmerelo: you mean Inline::Perl5 ?	07:26
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jmerelo	El_Che: right	07:28
	El_Che: does it work?	07:30
stmuk	yes why wouldn't it?	07:31
El_Che	yes, nine keeps making it better all the time: https://github.com/niner/Inline-Perl5	07:31
jmerelo	stmuk: dunno.	07:31
	El_Che, stmuk: many issues, one-year-old pull requests, CI badge in gray...	07:32
	El_Che, stmuk: but the thing is that I seem to remember lizmat mentioned something about it in the Netherlands Perl workshop. I might be wrong, however...	07:33
El_Che	jmerelo: I don't use it myself (I don't like the idea of managing 2 stacks), but I am under the impression that it works very well from the people that use it	07:33
	We'll get more info from lizmat and nine if they survived the heat	07:34
jmerelo	El_Che, stmuk: also it says "most Perl 6 modules". Don't know what "most" means...	07:34
	El_Che: OK. If that FAQ is true, then I'm OK with that.	07:35
stmuk	I don't see any problems with "most"	07:35
jmerelo	stmuk: well, it's a catch all. It's useful when your particular module does not run, you can always say "Well, we said most"	07:36
El_Che	I think nine is going for "all"	07:36
	from his doc	07:36
	something not working is a bug in that cas	07:37
	e	07:37
jmerelo	stmuk: but my main issue with that is how does that carry through time. Most for perl 5.24 perl6 2017.07 might become "a bunch" in perl 5.28 perl6 2018.06	07:37
stmuk	yes it's a particularly hard module to maintain but nine does a good job and I don't see any problems with the FAQ answer which seems perfectly clear to me	07:38
jmerelo	stmuk: I mean, I would need a bit of qualification for that. "Most modules that have these features, for these versions of Perl and Perl6, and none of the modules that have these features"	07:38
	stmuk: OK. No problem then.	07:39
El_Che	jmerelo: let's wait to what nine has to say. He could qualify the statement probably	07:40
jmerelo	El_Che: I mean, right now, this seems to be a problem https://travis-ci.org/niner/Inline-Perl5/jobs/393161623	07:41
	El_Che: that's probably only a change of perlbrew interface...	07:41
	I'll create an issue for that.	07:41
stmuk	my guess is its a network error or something transient like that	07:45
jmerelo	stmuk: looks like a perlbrew error...	07:48
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stmuk	yes maybe the perlbrew author pushed a version which didn't work for a few mins or the script couldn't contact the server or something ... it worked for me just now	07:49
jmerelo	stmuk: it did here when I upgraded.	07:50
	stmuk: anyway, thanks for the clarification	07:51
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jmerelo	stmuk: I patched and it seems to be working now https://travis-ci.com/JJ/Inline-Perl5/jobs/136754408. Apparently, the default installation procedure for perlbrew was not serving the last version...	08:03
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jmerelo	I'm checking out the number of commits this month, and it's the third highest ever. Could be the second, we're not done yet... Also it's the month with the second-highest number of contributors.	08:27
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lizmat	jmerelo: yes, that is true	08:28
jmerelo	lizmat: what?	08:30
lizmat	" is this true? https://docs.perl6.org/language/faq.html#Can_I_use_Perl_5_modules_from_Perl_6? I seem to remember you mentioned something about that in your talk in Arnhem"	08:30
jmerelo	lizmat: OK, the FAQ.	08:30
	lizmat: thanks.	08:30
	lizmat: did you mention something about Inline::Perl6 in your talk? Or is it a fake memory?	08:31
	lizmat: sorry, Perl6	08:31
	lizmat: sorry, Perl5	08:31
	My fingers go directly to type 6 after Perl...	08:31
stmuk	jmerelo++ # fixing travis perlbrew	08:31
jmerelo	stmuk: it's still broken for MacOSx... And that I can't fix.	08:32
lizmat	jmerelo: it's not in the slides, perhaps I did mention Inline::Perl5 but my memory fails me if I did or not	08:33
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	¦ doc: Some reflow and corrections	09:41
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jmerelo	m: say $*IN	09:49
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tbrowder_	\o	10:06
	jmerelo: search messed up earlier i see. how did you fix it? make it an issue?	10:07
	i’m still working on doc reorg—early am i think i hsve some new insight after dreaming about htmlify.p6 and friends.	10:09
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tbrowder_	*have	10:09
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stmuk	lizmat: just watching your talk starting with discussion of Plato and wondered if you had seen this https://www.irata.online/	10:17
El_Che	(I thought we would discuss philosophy. Mildy disappointed)	10:19
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stmuk	the underlying plato-like system is "cyber1"	10:26
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jmerelo	tbrowder_: I really have no idea.	10:28
	tbrowder_: checked the logs, and everything seemed to be OK.	10:28
	tbrowder_: that's what I call a bad dream	10:29
tbrowder_	ok, thanks.	10:29
	more of a nightmare!	10:29
jmerelo	tbrowder_: the problem was that there was a difference between what was on the site and what was searched	10:31
tbrowder_	yep, sounds like a build problem. i don’t understand yet how the actual site is published. caching may be a factor.	10:33
jmerelo	tbrowder_: I kinda understand it a bit.	10:34
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jmerelo	tbrowder_: in a nutshell, you clean up everything, then it's your script to generate stuff, then htmlify.p6, which generates search.js among other things, then it's rsynced to the actual place where it's published, and then the mojo-based web generates more stuff	10:35
tbrowder_	thnx	10:36
jmerelo	So there are like 3 build steps: your script, then htmlify.p6, then make run. Two before deployment, one after deployment	10:36
	I wonder if we should use Sparrowdo or some other serious deployment tool. Maybe Sake, I don't know.	10:36
tbrowder_	does the rsync have the options set to delete old stuff? that can cause weird things to happen	10:37
jmerelo	But one fine day we should take htmlify.p6 (and related modules) and rewrite it from scratch. We could call it htmlify-6.p6	10:37
	tbrowder_: right, it deletes stuff rsync -az --delete html/* html/.ht* [email@hidden.address]	10:38
	but more weird stuff could happen if you don't delete.	10:38
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jmerelo	tbrowder_: I don't know if you have seen this: http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2018-07-27#l362, which is to a large extent your fault :-) Kudos	10:40
tbrowder_	hm, i guess it’s like throwing thumb tacks on the dance floor	10:42
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tbrowder_	lots more movement for painful reasons	10:44
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jmerelo	tbrowder_: that's a good one. But no, it's only natural.	11:47
	tbrowder_: more like the sandpile. You drop one grain, nothing happens, you drop the next, avalanche.	11:47
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tbrowder_	good	12:11
	good analogy!	12:11
	git question: has anyone had any problems rsyncing a git repo between two locations (one fixed at home, one mobile)? i use the two hosts regularly and would like to work on my favorite git repos on both of them, changing beween them often as we travel to/from nearby relatives.	12:19
	*between	12:19
jmerelo	tbrowder_: yep. All kind of problems. It's better to just use git to sync...	12:20
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jnthn	1I also move between different hosts quite a bit, but just push up a Work In Progress commit in a branch when I need to move.	12:21
tbrowder_	ok, how do you handle cleaning up accumulated commits to submit a PR? squashing seems to be too easy to mess up.	12:25
	and i get enough complaints about my commits as it is...	12:27
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jnthn	tbrowder_: Depends, but `git add ...` for the files I changed since and `git commit --amend` in simple cases	12:32
	Or interactive rebase if I want to do something more involved	12:32
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tbrowder_	thanks. i need to study more in-depth git use.	12:35
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yoleaux	05:10Z <moritz> rashipi: you are welcome to reuse the contents of perl6book.com on perl6.org. When perl6.org has all the relevant information (and book covers), I'll consider making perl6book.com a redirect	12:42
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moritz	sorry, did I mis-type your nick?	12:43
raschipi	No problem.	12:53
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Ulti	tbrowder_ I dont use it myself but someone stepped me through the stuff you can do with an interactive rebase and its kind of amazing	13:02
timotimo	i use it every now and then to merge together commits or change commit messages	13:03
Ulti	yeah I always wondered why commits were hideous compared to other people on my team and they pointed out I was just a lot more lazy than them :'(	13:03
timotimo	hahaha	13:04
Ulti	I've not seen a nice GUI for doing that stuff though	13:04
timotimo	i hear emacs has something extremely good	13:04
Ulti	oh really	13:04
timotimo	i've never used emacs, though	13:05
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timotimo	i mean, never longer than a few minutes	13:05
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sarna	I've found a typo in the docs, what do I do?	13:25
yoleaux	26 Jul 2018 18:25Z <AlexDaniel> sarna: squashathon discussion http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2018-07-26#l900	13:25
tbrowder_	smartgit may have something, usable on linux and windows (maybe mac, too), java based.	13:25
AlexDaniel	sarna: just fix it? https://github.com/perl6/doc/	13:25
sarna	AlexDaniel: ok :)	13:26
tbrowder_	i use it on windows mostly, debian rarely cause i mostly	13:26
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jmerelo	AlexDaniel: perl6 river, v0.1 ready https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/releases/tag/v0.1	13:28
maettu	jnthn has completed his grant http://news.perlfoundation.org/2018/07/perl-6-performance-and-reliabi-5.html	13:28
	and requested another 200h. Please leave your comments. http://news.perlfoundation.org/2018/07/grant-extension-request-perl-6-2.html	13:29
jmerelo	AlexDaniel: I would have to do stuff a bit more finely, but basically big name tagas are the ones with the most dependencies downriver. Download the PDF or the SVG from the repo	13:29
AlexDaniel	jmerelo: what about having a top-down placement?	13:29
El_Che	the pdf is a tease	13:30
AlexDaniel	or left to right	13:30
El_Che	it doesn't show anything :)	13:30
jmerelo	AlexDaniel: I tried that, but then it's not so clear. Download and check out sankey.html from that repo	13:30
	El_Che: let me see...	13:30
El_Che	51 KB	13:31
	river.pdf	13:31
	the image was resized to death by the pdf creator soft, I suppose	13:31
jmerelo	El_Che: well, it shows... something	13:31
El_Che	a teaser	13:31
jmerelo	El_Che: if you bump it up to 400% you can see a bit	13:32
	and the gephi files are in the same repo, or the .net, use them with your favorite software...	13:32
AlexDaniel	jmerelo: what can I use with dot?	13:32
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jmerelo	AlexDaniel: let me export it to that format	13:33
AlexDaniel	ok now we're talking :)	13:33
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tbrowder_	i just saw syntevo (German co i think) has deepgit too. samartgit and deepgit are free for non-commercial use.	13:34
sarna	AlexDaniel: I've just read the squashaton discussion thingy. I haven't written any scripts dealing with github yet	13:35
jmerelo	AlexDaniel: Gephi does not work with that. I've added you to the repo, and exported it to graphml. Either that or Pajek's .net should be convertible to anything...	13:36
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El_Che	ff kan show the svg fine	13:38
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AlexDaniel	uh but that's from perl6-all-modules… not gonna work :S	13:47
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Geth	¦ doc: sarna++ created pull request #2224: Fixes some small typos in "Ruby to Perl 6"	13:53
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2224	13:53
sarna	oh hi	13:53
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raschipi	sarna: did you see the answer to your pull request?	13:58
Geth	¦ doc: be1b3d529c \| sarna++ \| doc/Language/rb-nutshell.pod6	13:58
	¦ doc: typos	13:58
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/be1b3d529c	13:58
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	¦ doc: added a colon	13:58
synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/rb-nutshell	13:58
Geth	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/da0cd0dcc2	13:58
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	¦ doc: Merge pull request #2224 from sarna/ruby-typos	13:58
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	¦ doc: Fixes some small typos in "Ruby to Perl 6"	13:58
raschipi	yes	13:58
Geth	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/f171ae0779	13:58
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sarna	raschipi: yes :) I was too excited to check IRC, sorry	13:58
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Zoffix	Must... resist... urge... to use this stock in 6.d Diwali teaser posters: https://depositphotos.com/88166820/stock-photo-goddess-lakshmi-and-lord-ganesha.html	14:08
	^_^	14:08
diakopter	yah, the ambiguity/overlap with Nazi symbols is ... suboptimal	14:10
Zoffix	:)	14:10
timotimo	yes, that would be quite an unfortunate look	14:12
robertle	these could esily be photoshopped into butterflies	14:14
	:)	14:14
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raschipi	robertle: then what's the point of buying the stock, just buy another one without an unfortunate association.	14:16
Geth	¦ doc: 7f9915925e \| (Ben Davies)++ \| doc/Language/js-nutshell.pod6	14:20
	¦ doc: Use sentence casing in JS nutshell page	14:20
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synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/js-nutshell	14:20
jkramer	How would I go about writing a P6 version of Module::Refresh? Is it even possible?	14:23
Zoffix	That's such a common question it should be researched and placd into our FAQ	14:25
jkramer	Hmm probably not, at least not the way I want it.	14:25
	Is it? Sorry :)	14:25
Zoffix	(the "reload a module in a running program" question, I mean)	14:25
	jkramer: no need to be sorry, I've not heard a good answer to it yet :)	14:25
	squashable6: status	14:25
squashable6	Zoffix, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 6 days and ≈19 hours (2018-08-04 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Monthly-Bug-Squash-Day	14:25
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raschipi	jkramer: A related problem is the fact that modules are cached after being compiled. So even if you reload the program it won't pick up changes made to the module.	14:45
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Geth	¦ marketing: 36c5fb493d \| (Zoffix Znet)++ \| 13 files	14:49
	¦ marketing: Add "Spec Clarifications" 6.d teaser / ID 1532698761	14:49
	¦ marketing: review: https://github.com/perl6/marketing/commit/36c5fb493d	14:49
jkramer	I wouldn't even need to reload it from disk, I just wanted to outsource some code from long-running script to tweak it during runtime. I naively tried to just slurp and EVAL it but of course it didn't work :)	14:49
timotimo	you'll probably need a little indirection between the module's symbols and the actual code being run	14:49
jkramer	Turns out that types need to be known at compile-time of you want type checking :D	14:49
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jkramer	But it's not that important anyway	14:50
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timotimo	actually, you can use "where" clauses :)	14:53
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jkramer	I think I'll just dump the state of my script so I can restart it without losing progress :)	14:54
timotimo	that's probably better	14:55
	do that regularly and you're also probably relatively safe from crashes	14:55
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raschipi	We need Systemd bindings so that processes can stash their open file descriptors in systemd.	14:59
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mst	jkramer: note that now rakudo's imports are lexical, there's perhaps tricks you can do involving reloading in a new scope	15:03
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ctilmes	If I put this in 'test.pl': "multi MAIN('foo') {}; sub USAGE { say $*USAGE }" and run it, I get (as expected) "Usage:␤ test.pl foo"	15:04
	But if I change the 'say' to 'print', I get "Cannot auto-decontainerize argument␤in sub USAGE at test.pl line 1␤in block <unit> at test.pl line 1	15:04
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Zoffix	It's possible each `use` of the same module doesn't actually load it from scatch each time, but rather caches the load.	15:04
ctilmes	Just seemed weird to me. 'put' works fine too.	15:04
Zoffix	ctilmes: would you report it as a bug, please?	15:06
raschipi	m: multi MAIN('foo') {}; sub USAGE { print $*USAGE }	15:07
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «Cannot auto-decontainerize argument␤ in sub USAGE at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»	15:07
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Zoffix	m: my $x := Proxy.new: :FETCH{"42\n"}, :STORE(-> $, $ {}); print $x	15:09
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «Cannot auto-decontainerize argument␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»	15:09
raschipi	bisectable6: multi MAIN('foo') {}; sub USAGE { print $*USAGE }	15:10
bisectable6	raschipi, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=08b449e) because on both starting points the exit code is 1	15:10
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bisectable6	raschipi, bisect log: https://gist.github.com/671e8ce9c39a6aa43f60815baf2d26d8	15:11
	raschipi, (2017-06-07) https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/e538cbc5464447c4a0cf217119a9ff30bd74d765	15:11
ctilmes	Zoffix: Bugged: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2137	15:11
Zoffix	ctilmes++	15:11
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Zoffix	m: multi MAIN('foo') {}; sub USAGE { print $*USAGE<> }	15:14
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «Usage:␤ <tmp> foo »	15:14
AlexDaniel	6c: multi MAIN('foo') {}; sub USAGE { print $*USAGE }	15:18
committable6	AlexDaniel, https://gist.github.com/609c434bb7e086ae4042b2b5c2a673bb	15:18
AlexDaniel	raschipi: ↑ typically committable is a better tool for the first query :)	15:18
Zoffix	m: -> int { }( Proxy.new: :FETCH{42}, :STORE(-> \| {})	15:19
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «=== SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')' (corresponding starter was at line 1)␤at <tmp>:1␤------> ( Proxy.new: :FETCH{42}, :STORE(-> \| {}) ⏏ <EOL> ␤»	15:19
Zoffix	m: -> int { }( Proxy.new: :FETCH{42}, :STORE(-> \| {}) )	15:19
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «Cannot auto-decontainerize argument␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»	15:19
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Zoffix	AlexDaniel: is there a gameplan for squashathon?	15:27
	I wanna advertise this month's squashthon a bit more, 'cause fixing modules is really something we should do.... What do I tell people? Like, what will be the process for squashing?	15:28
AlexDaniel	Zoffix: http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2018-07-14#l329 http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2018-07-26#l900	15:29
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jmerelo	releasable6: status	15:29
releasable6	jmerelo, Next release will happen when it's ready. 3 blockers. 80 out of 256 commits logged (⚠ 7 warnings)	15:29
	jmerelo, Details: https://gist.github.com/34313630748f8d5acf00862b0256aa4b	15:29
AlexDaniel	Zoffix: https://github.com/JJ/p6-river	15:30
	and also: https://gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/a2d42affde57723229ed8ca28ee7b88c	15:30
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jmerelo	AlexDaniel: cool :-)	15:31
Zoffix	k	15:31
jmerelo	AlexDaniel: what are the numbers behind the module name?	15:34
AlexDaniel	jmerelo: it's an attempt to untangle the ratsnest, don't look at it yet, it's not finished	15:35
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Zoffix	6.d release makes a lot of clarifications to 6.c spec. So far, it contains over 3,400 comits, made by more than 60 authors: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/perl6/marketing/master/Flyers/6.d-Teasers/T3-Spec-Clarifications--1532698761/T3-Spec-Clarifications--1532698761.jpg	15:37
AlexDaniel	Zoffix++	15:38
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Geth	¦ marketing: 7bd98fad7d \| (Zoffix Znet)++ \| 7 files	15:48
	¦ marketing: Add more stock	15:48
	¦ marketing: review: https://github.com/perl6/marketing/commit/7bd98fad7d	15:48
AlexDaniel	jmerelo: https://gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/6cd3e4af7f600edc04ba625516cf130c https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dep-to-dot.p6	15:51
	jmerelo: that's as much as I'd be doing for it today, so take it away from here :)	15:51
Geth	¦ doc: e664ce4785 \| (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| doc/Language/classtut.pod6	15:52
	¦ doc: tweak grammar and text	15:52
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/e664ce4785	15:52
synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/classtut	15:52
AlexDaniel	on github do right click/view image, then you'd get proper rendering of the svg	15:52
	with hyperlinks and stuff	15:52
jmerelo	AlexDaniel: thanks!	15:53
raschipi	I I find it fascinating that webbrowsers consider svg to be on par with html as a rendering method.	15:53
AlexDaniel	yeah, you can also do css styling for svgs with stuff like onhover events	15:54
	hmm maybe not withing .svg itself and you'd have to wrap it in .html, I'm not sure	15:55
	within*	15:55
Zoffix	AlexDaniel: is there a way to see this magnified? https://gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/a2d42affde57723229ed8ca28ee7b88c	15:55
	GitHub sends it as text/plain if you try "Raw"	15:56
AlexDaniel	Zoffix: right click on it, then “view image”, then unzoom	15:56
	code for generating it is here: https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dep-to-dot.p6	15:56
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AlexDaniel	modules marked with * are shown on the graph multiple times, because otherwise it becomes completely unreadable	15:57
	because yeah, everything depends on JSON::Fast :)	15:57
Zoffix	What would be cool is to to have the data for how active the author is and when the last commit was made to the module	15:58
	I know I have a bunch of PRs that I sent like a year ago and they still were never accepted.	15:59
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Zoffix	buggable: toast	16:03
buggable	Zoffix, Between 2018.06-140-g68ed6f2 and 2018.06: 50 (4.53%) modules got burnt; 73 (6.61%) got unsucced; 383 (34.69%) out of 1104 modules appear unusable. See https://toast.perl6.party/ for details.	16:03
Zoffix	34% :o	16:03
	AlexDaniel: wait, is this a list of all modules or just the broken ones? https://gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/a2d42affde57723229ed8ca28ee7b88c	16:03
	The image	16:04
timotimo	that's gotta be all of them	16:04
Zoffix	BTW, there's also a bunch of module errors in ecosystem build log: http://modules.perl6.org/update.log	16:04
	As well as a bunch of TODOs: http://modules.perl6.org/todo	16:05
	Though some of them, like missing `perl`, are already "fixed" (PR sent, but still not accepted)	16:05
AlexDaniel	Zoffix: lal modules	16:06
Zoffix	ZofBot: LAL	16:07
AlexDaniel	dammit what's up with my typing :)	16:07
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raschipi	AlexDaniel: SVG itself supports scripting in Javascript, but it doesn't use CSS as far as I know. Here is an interesting SVG demo: https://tympanus.net/Tutorials/InteractiveSVG/	16:09
AlexDaniel	hmmmm	16:09
	you're probably right	16:09
raschipi	Oh, yes, it does use CSS, just found out.	16:10
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jmerelo	Zoffix: that can be added, I guess.	16:11
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raschipi	The combination of dependency graphs with the staleness of the module is interesting because a stale leaf module isn't as concerning as one that has deps.	16:13
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Geth	¦ marketing: b343a07fa5 \| (Zoffix Znet)++ \| 13 files	16:16
	¦ marketing: Add Aug. 2018 Squashathon poster / ID 1532704910	16:16
	¦ marketing: review: https://github.com/perl6/marketing/commit/b343a07fa5	16:16
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Zoffix	Join us next week, Saturday, August 4, 2018 for the Monthly SQUASHathon! This month we will be fixing broken ecosystem modules: https://bit.ly/2LUVRdu	16:18
	More info on the SQUASHathon: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Monthly-Bug-Squash-Day	16:20
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tbrowder_	if you want to see animated svg with css checkout https://psrr.info	16:26
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alexghacker	I was looking at some unicode-related things today and I started wondering which version of the UCD my installation of perl6 was using and I can't figure out a way to tell.	16:27
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[Coke]	m: multi MAIN('foo') {}; sub USAGE { print $*USAGE.gist }	16:34
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «Usage:␤ <tmp> foo »	16:34
[Coke]	m: say $*USAGE.^name	16:35
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «Failure␤»	16:35
lizmat	stmuk: thanks for the link :-)	16:35
[Coke]	m: multi MAIN('foo') {}; sub USAGE { print $*USAGE.^name }	16:35
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «Str»	16:35
[Coke]	interesting.	16:35
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donpdonp	my_project$ zef install . => install succeeds but I cant find my .pm6 files anywhere	16:37
AlexDaniel	Zoffix++ awesome poster, I love it	16:37
donpdonp	where should I be looking? ive searched ~/.zef and ~/.rakudobrew. is there something missing in my META6.json?	16:38
[Coke]	donpdonp: "zef locate <name of module>"	16:38
xinming	What is the correct way to get the resource files bundled with module?	16:38
	put the files under resources, and what API should I use to locate that file?	16:39
	since the file names are created with sha1sum IIRC	16:39
donpdonp	$ zef locate CamelPub => ===> From Distribution: CamelPub:ver<0.1.0>:auth<>:api<> (end of output).	16:39
AlexDaniel	squashable6: next	16:39
squashable6	AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 6 days and ≈17 hours (2018-08-04 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Monthly-Bug-Squash-Day	16:39
donpdonp	trying the same thing with Linenoise, it has an extra line of Linenoise => /home/donp/.rakudobrew/moar-2018.06/....	16:40
[Coke]	donpdonp: do you have a git repo we can examine?	16:40
	is your META6.json correct?	16:40
donpdonp	[Coke]: https://nest.pijul.com/donpdonp/camelpub	16:40
[Coke]	does "zef locate CamelPub::ActivityPub" work?	16:41
araraloren_	they change the name of the file	16:41
donpdonp	[Coke]: ah yes it does.	16:41
araraloren_	so you can't find them according the file or module name	16:41
donpdonp	apparently i need more entries in the provides section	16:42
	i wasnt sure if/how that part was used.	16:42
[Coke]	not to make him the support person, but niner can probably answer the rename question.	16:42
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donpdonp	perl6/site/sources/189B5556FCC638ADAA39A49DF8476B133BD8C310: OS/2 REXX batch file, ASCII text	16:47
	is that how p6 stores installed pm6 files??	16:47
araraloren_	yeah	16:47
donpdonp	o.O	16:47
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donpdonp	[Coke]: things are happy with zef install now, thx for the tip.	16:48
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[Coke]	\o/	16:51
	geekosaur is afraid to ask how libmagic came to that interpretation	16:51
[Coke]	we might want to submit some magic info for moarvm files.	16:52
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raschipi	What is the magic number for Perl 6 files?	16:53
timotimo	those are source files, though	16:53
[Coke]	I don't know if donpdonp is pointing at a moarvm bytecode file there, or perl6 source or what.	16:54
araraloren_	Perl 6 not have magic number, I think	16:54
timotimo	precompiled moar bytecode files start with MOAR or MOARVM	16:54
[Coke]	it would be the bytecode files if anything. if that's source, magic is confused.	16:54
	timotimo++	16:54
timotimo	oh	16:54
	actually	16:54
raschipi	And libmagic has no problem recognizing shebangs, just gotta teach it.	16:54
timotimo	the bytecode files in precomp directories start with a hash sum, then a piece of perl6 code that expresses dependencies, perhaps?	16:55
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timotimo	and then comes the MOARVM, at probably a non-fixed offset	16:55
araraloren_	yeah, they think my Perl 6 script is Perl script	16:55
	that's right, but not exactly:)	16:56
lucasb	I think files under perl6/site/sources/* is always Perl 6 source code	16:56
raschipi	Can't put the 0x4d4f4152564d at the start?	16:57
araraloren_	Is Rakudo compile the source file only once ?	16:58
lucasb	for installed modules	16:58
raschipi	No, it compiles and caches any module. Causes problems if you include one from a directory with many files.	16:59
araraloren_	But I modify a file of a module, the change make works, why ?	16:59
raschipi	It takes a snapshot of the filesystem to know if it needs to recompile a module.	16:59
lizmat	actually, I think it's sha1's of the files, but yeah	17:00
araraloren_	oh	17:00
	I thought they would work as pyc	17:00
lizmat	so: if you make a change, it will recompile, but if you change it back, it might find the previous one and not recompile again	17:00
araraloren_	if the pyc exists, you change will not make works	17:01
	in python module	17:01
	yeah, thanks the explain :)	17:01
	good night	17:01
lizmat	well, I guess we're batter than python then in that respect :-)	17:02
	good night!	17:02
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donpdonp	[Coke]: i wasnt sure either, i assumed it was binary, but the first line of that hex-filename is: use CamelPub::Commands; i have no idea how file came up with OS/2. haha.	17:03
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lucasb	hmm, Rexx language also uses the "say" word	17:05
alexghacker	donpdonp: it did recognize it as ASCII text, so probably something in the content of the file matched a pattern thought to be characteristic of the REXX language as used on OS/2	17:05
jmerelo	.tell zoffix this is the list of non-core distros with more than 1 dependencies https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dependent-distros.csv	17:05
yoleaux	jmerelo: I'll pass your message to zoffix.	17:05
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geekosaur	yeh, libmagic is based on heuristics	17:09
	unless you have a reliable byte sequence ("magic number") to identify something	17:09
timotimo	it'd be easy to notice if you have a current-version precomp file, or one starting in a magic number	17:09
	just make sure the magic number has something in it that's beyond hexadecimal	17:10
	probably wants something no filesystem would like %)	17:10
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jmerelo	.tell zoffix I have crossed the toast db with the dependency calculation DB and here's the list of failing distros with number of deps https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dependent-failing-distros.csv	17:25
yoleaux	jmerelo: I'll pass your message to zoffix.	17:25
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buggable	New CPAN upload: Net-LibIDN2-0.1.0.tar.gz by KAIEPI http://modules.perl6.org/dist/Net::LibIDN2:cpan:KAIEPI	17:31
Geth	¦ marketing: eebddc43c2 \| (Zoffix Znet)++ \| 6 files	17:32
	¦ marketing: Fix typo	17:32
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Zoffix	jmerelo: thanks. Would you just prefix your messages with "Zoffix" like if I were in the channel instaed of using .tell command? My bot gives me all the messsages anyway, so there's no need to use .tell with me	17:36
yoleaux	17:25Z <jmerelo> Zoffix: I have crossed the toast db with the dependency calculation DB and here's the list of failing distros with number of deps https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dependent-failing-distros.csv	17:36
Zoffix	less spam	17:36
	I don't get why NativeCall is in that list. It's not an ecosystem distro	17:37
	jmerelo: is that against last release? Test::Notice is listed as failing in that .csv, but it's passing	17:39
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jmerelo	Zoffix: sure. I have downloaded the database directly from the site.	17:42
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Zoffix	Which site? toast.perl6.party?	17:43
jmerelo	Zoffix: correct	17:43
[Coke]	(virtual pizza) I would be willing to donate some cash to a PM or something for actual pizza if there was an event.	17:44
Zoffix	jmerelo: You probably used the data from the dev commit that was toasted rather than the last stable release column	17:44
	I now deleted the dev commit data. There was confusion about it on Facebook too -_-	17:44
jmerelo	Zoffix: I use the "status" column. What's the correct one?	17:45
	Zoffix: and the correct database?	17:45
Zoffix	jmerelo: the status just says this module worked on last release but got broken on latest dev commit.	17:46
	jmerelo: the correct column is the "2018.06" in current data	17:46
	jmerelo: in the database it's rakudo or rakudo_long column	17:47
	jmerelo: oh wait	17:47
	jmerelo: nevermind, yeah, it's the status column	17:47
	jmerelo: but there were data for 2018.06 and the latest dev commit. You need to filter it by the value of `rakudo` column	17:48
	Tho now all the data is just for 2018.06 in https://temp.perl6.party/toast.sqlite.db	17:48
jmerelo	Zoffix: which value? If it's 2018.16 it's not failing?	17:48
	Zoffix: something like this? select module, status from toast where rakudo == "2018.06" and status != "Succ" and module like "Test%";	17:49
Zoffix	Why "and module like "Test%" ?	17:50
jmerelo	Zoffix: to test the module you mentioned above	17:50
	Zoffix: and right, it's not there.	17:50
Zoffix	it'd be module == 'Test::Notice'	17:51
timotimo	except sql wants = instead of ==	17:52
Zoffix	sqlite> select module, status from toast where rakudo == "2018.06" and module == 'Test::Notice';	17:53
	Test::Notice\|Succ	17:53
timotimo	it was probably meant to be pseudocode	17:53
	oh?	17:53
	i sit corrected	17:53
Zoffix	:D	17:53
	Looks like the two are just aliases, at least in SQLite: https://www.techonthenet.com/sqlite/comparison_operators.php	17:53
moritz	mysql doesn't like == iirc	17:54
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rindolf	raschipi: hi. sup?	17:56
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Zoffix	timotimo: maybe you can offer advice on whether `constant`s can be optimized in R#2138 IIRC you wrote the original optimizations for the literals case.	18:05
synopsebot	R#2138 [open] : https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2138 Constants slower than literals in range creation	18:05
jmerelo	Zoffix: new version of failing modules with dependencies https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dependent-failing-distros.csv	18:07
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sarna	AlexDaniel: hey, do you by any chance know if spacemacs plays well with perl6 now?	18:08
Zoffix	jmerelo: cool. That's a lot more managable than the total 300+ failing modules.	18:08
AlexDaniel	sarna: if you use the dev version, then yes	18:09
jmerelo	Zoffix: this new new version includes only modules in the ecosystem https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dependent-failing-distros.csv	18:09
sarna	AlexDaniel: sweet, thanks!	18:09
AlexDaniel	sarna: what I mean by that is that you'd have to switch spacemacs repo to `develop` branch	18:09
jmerelo	Zoffix: that's what we are looking for, right? Or should I include core modules too? I mean, NativeCall is one of them...	18:09
AlexDaniel	sarna: last spacemacs release was in January, and perl6 layer was merged after that	18:09
	sarna: so the next release will come with perl6 layer, but for now you'd have to use `develop`	18:10
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synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/Signature	18:10
sarna	AlexDaniel: I see, I see. I wonder how stable it is	18:10
AlexDaniel	🤷	18:10
Zoffix	jmerelo: no, since NativeCall isn't failing. In the toaster db it's listed as "Unknown". I dunno why it;'s even in the toaster list at all	18:10
sarna	AlexDaniel: I've been using vscode, but the highlighting breaks too often :^(	18:11
	anyway, thanks :)	18:11
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synopsebot	Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/Cool	18:11
Geth	¦ doc: pass finicky links test	18:11
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raiph	hi all, has anyone here installed/used comma?	18:11
[Coke]	Yes.	18:11
AlexDaniel	I attempted to switch to spacemacs a few weeks ago (that's after years after switching back to vanilla emacs), but the biggest issue for me was the lack of a good dark theme…	18:11
jmerelo	Zoffix: I'm including anything that's not Succ	18:11
[Coke]	(comma: yes)	18:11
sarna	AlexDaniel: I like the default theme	18:12
Zoffix	jmerelo: I don't remember exactly, but I think "Unkn" status means the toaster doesn't know if the module is failing or not.	18:12
sarna	but yeah, I could use something less bluey	18:12
Zoffix	raiph: I have	18:12
AlexDaniel	sarna: well, uhhh… I like the default theme of emacs (the one that you get if your system is dark)	18:13
	sarna: but in spacemacs it's not supported for some random reason https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/4723	18:13
raiph	[Coke], Zoffix great, i've installed, it's not working yet, going to try again, will either of you be around in next hour or two?	18:13
sarna	AlexDaniel: hmm, weird	18:14
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jmerelo	Zoffix: here it goes with just "Fail" and "Kill". https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dependent-failing-distros.csv HTTP::UserAgent takes the top	18:14
raiph	(in case i can't get it to work and it's cuz i'm doing something dumb that you can spot)	18:14
jmerelo	Zoffix: just 8 with more than 1 dep. Problem is I am not sure I have all modules, I'm using perl6-all-modules from moritz, but there are only ~300 there.	18:16
Zoffix	raiph: I think timotimo is one of the actual devs and can help you a lot betterer.	18:16
	jmerelo: ohhhh.. Yeah, there's a bug with all modules repo and it's missing a bunch.	18:16
	jmerelo: we have 1186 modules in the ecosystem: http://modules.perl6.org/search/?q=	18:17
	m: say 1189-5	18:17
camelia	rakudo-moar 08b449e1a: OUTPUT: «1184␤»	18:17
Zoffix	That many	18:17
[Coke]	raiph: nope	18:18
	(I wouldn't plan on it, anyway)	18:18
raiph	Zoffix: thx	18:18
	[Coke]: thx	18:18
jmerelo	Zoffix: is there an API I can use?	18:19
AlexDaniel	jmerelo: https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dep-to-dot.p6	18:19
[Coke]	wouldn't perl6-all-modules just be git-related ones anyway?	18:19
AlexDaniel	jmerelo: I believe it will fetch everything	18:20
Zoffix	[Coke]: no, it gets cpan too	18:20
[Coke]	(or is there a script to grab cpan-latest for those?)	18:20
	woot	18:20
	Zoffix++	18:20
jmerelo	AlexDaniel: OK, I'll use that	18:20
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Zoffix	jmerelo: there's a JSON endpoint, tho I don't think there's a way to use zero-length search query with it. You have to triplicate it: http://modules.perl6.org/s/from:cpan/.json http://modules.perl6.org/s/from:gitlab/.json http://modules.perl6.org/s/from:github/.json	18:23
	(or figure out some other query that gets all modules and isn't empty)	18:23
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jmerelo	Zoffix: I've finally used AlexDaniel's script, and here's the result https://github.com/JJ/p6-river/blob/master/dependent-failing-distros.csv	18:27
Zoffix	jmerelo: figured out the endpoint for all results. It's just: http://modules.perl6.org/search.json	18:27
jmerelo	Zoffix: 26 with more than 1 downstream dep	18:27
	Is it worth the while to fix HTTP::UserAgent? Or is it better to fix whatever depends on it?	18:28
	Zoffix: It's a single test. We should probably fix that... Weird error, too.	18:30
lucasb	some issue with this line: https://github.com/ingydotnet/testml-pm6/blob/master/META6.json#L27	18:31
Zoffix	lucasb: 'cause protocol is git, but the URL points to a ZIP file, not a git repo.	18:32
lucasb	source-url should be git://github.com/ingydotnet/testml-pm6.git ? zef is capable of cloneing and checkout the correct tag/revision?	18:32
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jmerelo	Zoffix, AlexDaniel: now what needs to be done? Create issues in ecosystem and point the pizzabot to all these modules?	18:33
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jmerelo	Zoffix: "kill" apparently means it's taking too long. Should I eliminate those too?	18:35
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jmerelo	Zoffix: also, in some cases it's a problem with non-perl6 dependencies, such as this one: https://toast.perl6.party/module?module=Net::ZMQ&commit=2018.06	18:37
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raiph	Does anyone know if the interactive nqp shell can be made to use up arrow for command line history? If you see this and know an answer, please .tell me. tia.	20:33
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geekosaur	suspect you need to use rlwrap	20:37
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raiph	geekosaur: thx. that helped. but no cigar for me so far. installed rlwrap. cd'd to nqp dir; rlwrap ./nqp; Unhandled exception: While looking for 'nqp.moarvm': no such file or directory. now i need to remember how to use find. dusting off linux sysadmin braincells mostly unused this century...	20:54
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raiph	ah, -iname, now i remember	20:57
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raiph	geekosaur: yay, success, thx	20:59
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AlexDaniel	Zoffix: btw you can also PM yoleaux to receive your messages (less spam this way)	21:24
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Zoffix	AlexDaniel: yes, but it's annoying useless work for me	21:31
	:)	21:31
timotimo	so automate it! :)	21:31
AlexDaniel	or just don't leave the channel :)	21:31
Zoffix	I gotta	21:31
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Zamenhof	can anyone tell me the name of the perl6 equivalent to perlbrew? Is rakudobrew the recommended application to manage multiple perl 6 installs?	22:20
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Zamenhof	I have rakudo 2017.07 and wanted to keep it, but install rakudo 2018.04	22:21
benjikun	That's what rakudobrew is used for, yeah, but I don't know if people still use rakudobrew	22:22
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Zamenhof	that was my question. I recall reading that there is something new to do this, but I can't recall the name	22:23
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El_Che	Zamenhof: what os do you run?	22:23
Zamenhof	Windows 10	22:24
El_Che	rakudo star has 2018.04 windows packages	22:24
	it releases every 3 months	22:24
masak	Zamenhof: saluton, amiko!	22:24
Zamenhof	saluton! my esperanto is very bad atm	22:25
masak	I just thought, given the name... :)	22:25
	'night, #perl6	22:25
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benjikun	night night masak	22:25
Zamenhof	El_Che: I wanted to install the newest rakudo compiler, but keep the older version too	22:26
MasterDuke	there are some other tools to get/build rakudo, but i don't think they allow keeping older versions	22:26
Zamenhof	ah, ok. good to know	22:26
MasterDuke	rakudup, lonestar, etc	22:26
Zamenhof	I checked github and rakudobrew had a commit in October.	22:27
benjikun	maybe you could just compile the different versions to different directories and alias the version name in the command	22:27
	or make a sym link for each perl6 binary	22:27
Zamenhof	benjikun: I figured there was a lazier way to do it. This is the perl community after all :)	22:27
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benjikun	ah, good :)	22:28
Zamenhof	I was in the perl 5 irc the other day and brought up berrybrew (a windows version of perlbrew).	22:29
	it is a bit rough, and some had played with the idea of a rewrite in powershell	22:29
	perhaps a windows version of perlbrew could incorporate various versions of perl 6 too	22:30
MasterDuke	https://github.com/zoffixznet/z might be another option. it's geared more toward developers of rakudo, but your usecase kind of overlaps	22:30
Zamenhof	thx. I did not know about that one.	22:31
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