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2018-09-16

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Geth ¦ doc: b69f2caa23 | Lichtkind++ | doc/Language/math.pod600:25
¦ doc: added math module for vectors 00:25
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/b69f2caa2300:25
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vrurg m: role R1 { method foo { say "R1::foo" } }; role R2 { }; class Bar does R1 { method foo { note "Bar::foo"; self.R1::foo; self does R2; self.R1::foo } }; Bar.new.foo01:14
camelia rakudo-moar b1a07f093: OUTPUT: «Bar::foo␤R1::foo␤No concretization found for R1␤ in method foo at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»01:14
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vrurg Is it normal behavior when 'does' on object wipes out all notions of previosly applied roles?01:15
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davelikestorock Really happy to see Perl6 finally and formally released... though I am a bit late to know that :)01:49
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TimToady vrurg: seems like it could be a buglet01:58
but use of "does" at runtime is always a bit...fraught...01:58
vrurg TimToady: reported already: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/228201:58
TimToady vrurg++01:58
vrurg Being used accurately dynamic role application allows for some pretty neat tricks.02:00
In my case application object would depend on what command was used on CLI. Plugin-like behavior.02:01
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hankache hello #perl605:52
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hankache I was looking at the isms pragma found on https://docs.perl6.org/language/pragmas and felt a bit confused05:54
why would this not work:05:54
m: sub abs() { say "foo" }; abs;05:54
camelia rakudo-moar b1a07f093: OUTPUT: «=== SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unsupported use of bare "abs"; in Perl 6 please use .abs if you meant to call it as a method on $_, or use an explicit invocant or argument, or use &abs to refer to the function as a noun␤at <tmp>:1…»05:54
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hankache yet this works:05:55
m: sub abs1() { say "foo" }; abs1;05:55
camelia rakudo-moar b1a07f093: OUTPUT: «foo␤»05:55
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Geth ¦ doc: 534ff360c2 | (Naoum Hankache)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/pragmas.pod606:05
¦ doc: Fix thinko 06:05
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/534ff360c206:05
synopsebot Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/pragmas06:05
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Geth ¦ doc: threadless-screw++ created pull request #2312: Update Str.pod6 08:33
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/pull/231208:33
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Geth ¦ doc: 1bb00da7e4 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Socket/Async.pod608:43
¦ doc: Adds using CATCH to capture errors 08:43
¦ doc:08:43
¦ doc: This closes #168508:43
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/1bb00da7e408:43
synopsebot Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Socket::Async08:43
Geth ¦ doc: 118aa08399 | Alexander++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Str.pod608:44
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Geth ¦ doc: Update Str.pod6 08:44
¦ doc:08:44
¦ doc: Fixed typo.08:44
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/118aa0839908:44
¦ doc: a463da2f5e | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Str.pod608:44
¦ doc: Merge pull request #2312 from threadless-screw/threadless-screw-patch-1 08:44
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¦ doc: Update Str.pod608:45
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/a463da2f5e08:45
sena_kun prof-m: say 5;08:53
camelia prof-m : OUTPUT: «No such file or directory»08:53
.. Prof: http://p.p6c.org/6f99a1e08:53
prof-m : OUTPUT: «(timeout)Can't exec "./rakudo-inst/bin/perl6-m": No such file or directory at lib/EvalbotExecuter.pm line 206.␤cat: /home/camelia/rakudo-inst/revision: No such file or directory␤␤now running scp...␤lost connection␤»08:53
.. Prof: http://p.p6c.org/6f99a3408:53
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timotimo all the allah spam today10:31
(only ops see it)10:31
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moritz if I were a god of a major religion, I'd totally endorse IRC spam in my name /s10:37
jmerelo moritz: :-)10:39
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El_Che With the previous spam bots in mind, it looks to me as a far right attack again (annoying people and blame it on people you don't like)10:48
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timotimo my fav line so far has been "filesysteⅿ dοеѕ nоt ᴡrⅰte wіtһοut ⲣermіѕsіⲟn of aⅼlah"10:50
El_Che ah lol10:50
that does indeed looks like a troll10:50
jmerelo timotimo: or uses passive voice, for that matter...10:51
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timotimo i might go out on the balcony, enjoy the sun, and listen to https://www.twitch.tv/squaresounds10:54
AlexDani` .oO( endorsing IRC spam makes more sense than endorsing people to stand on the street or go door-to-door, a god supporting automation is a good god )10:56
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El_Che So the Big Bang was because he/she/it was using Puppet and by error added two resources with the same name?10:57
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moritz or a botched deployment :)11:13
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rindolf hi all12:17
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sena_kun o/12:20
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buggable New CPAN upload: Array-Agnostic-0.0.2.tar.gz by ELIZABETH http://modules.perl6.org/dist/Array::Agnostic:cpan:ELIZABETH12:34
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timotimo cpan is not doing allah is doing12:49
lizmat timotimo: who are you and what have you done to timotimo?12:49
Geth ¦ doc: 93ebaac955 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Type/Array.pod613:03
¦ doc: Hopefully clarify Array.push/append/unshift/prepend differences better 13:03
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/93ebaac95513:03
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pmurias .tell Zoffix would it makes sense to have the voice bot give registered and identified users voice immediately?13:35
yoleaux 12 Sep 2018 13:22Z <brrt> pmurias: I merged your PR13:35
pmurias: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.13:35
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Zoffix .13:41
yoleaux 13:35Z <pmurias> Zoffix: would it makes sense to have the voice bot give registered and identified users voice immediately?13:41
Zoffix pmurias: how to find that info? Would it have to spam nickserv or something to fetch it?13:41
Cloaked users are already getting instant voice13:42
and web users13:43
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Zoffix .tell pmurias I whitelisted you ( https://github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-banbot/commit/7ebf814b81b0c232906c8f4649ca87c1733151a7 ). I could take a PR to insta-voice identified users, but spamming NickServ each time to get that info feels like abusing teh service a bit.13:50
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to pmurias.13:50
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AlexDaniel Zoffix: I was thinking about giving voice to anyone who had a voice once13:52
no idea if that is going to work well or not13:52
as it could voice a spammer by accident if they're reusing nicks or whatever13:53
El_Che AlexDaniel: I think you found the weak point of the plan13:55
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timotimo you don't have to spam nickserv to receive the "is registered?" info, /whois also contains it14:07
AlexDaniel timotimo: but will it kick you for flood if you do /whois too often?14:08
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timotimo oh, mhm14:10
a rate limiting scheme (leaky bucket?) shouldn't be too hard14:10
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pmurias .tell Zoffix thank you for whitelisting me :)14:53
yoleaux 13:50Z <Zoffix> pmurias: I whitelisted you ( https://github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-banbot/commit/7ebf814b81b0c232906c8f4649ca87c1733151a7 ). I could take a PR to insta-voice identified users, but spamming NickServ each time to get that info feels like abusing teh service a bit.14:53
pmurias: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.14:53
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b2gills .tell hankache `abs` is specifically caught by the parser, and the `use isms;` disables the parser from catching it15:34
yoleaux b2gills: I'll pass your message to hankache.15:34
jmerelo squashable6: status15:38
squashable6 jmerelo, Next SQUASHathon in 18 days and ≈18 hours (2018-10-06 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Monthly-Bug-Squash-Day15:38
jmerelo releasable6: status15:39
releasable6 jmerelo, Next release will happen when it's ready. 0 blockers. 1 out of 108 commits logged (⚠ 47 warnings)15:39
jmerelo, Details: https://gist.github.com/13bee11a5545c39adeaad1c95d1718bf15:39
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buggable New CPAN upload: App-FindSource-0.0.6.tar.gz by ALOREN http://modules.perl6.org/dist/App::FindSource:cpan:ALOREN15:44
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buggable New CPAN upload: Getopt-Advance-1.0.0.tar.gz by ALOREN https://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/AL/ALOREN/Perl6/Getopt-Advance-1.0.0.tar.gz16:04
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Geth ¦ doc: 121795e47f | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Duration.pod616:35
¦ doc: Deletes incorrect sentence 16:35
¦ doc:16:35
¦ doc: In numeric contexts, it will still return a Duration. If you do any16:35
¦ doc: operation with other kind of numbers, the result will be that number's16:35
synopsebot Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/Duration16:35
Geth ¦ doc: type, but that's the operation, not just the context. Closes #158916:35
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/121795e47f16:35
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ab6tract o/ #perl617:48
read a great shout out to Perl 6 today: http://esoteric.codes/blog/the-128-language-quine-relay17:48
a quine that transforms through 128 languages is astonishing enough.. but here's a choice quote: "Piet, the language that uses images as source code (read the interview with Piet’s creator here) was a bit easier as it came after Perl 6, which bundles Zlib as standard library, making it straightforward to generate a PNG file. Had it followed, say, brainfuck, it would have been a much larger challenge."17:49
<3 to the p6 standard lib :)17:51
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rindolf [xpost from #perl ] Hi all! So I think my user script for metacpan is in a mostly usable condition now - please try it out and let me know what you think - https://www.shlomifish.org/Files/files/code/metacpan-arrowkeys.user.js .17:55
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Geth ¦ doc: 4a48a5cdb0 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/IO/CatHandle.pod618:18
¦ doc: Clarify IO::CatHandle.words/.lines 18:18
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¦ doc: Even if :$close is false, the handle switching mechanism will still close18:18
¦ doc: consumed handles. Otherwise, we'd hit the open files limit fairly quickly.18:18
synopsebot Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/IO::CatHandle18:18
Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/4a48a5cdb018:18
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Geth ¦ doc: 2511723174 | (Steve Mynott)++ | doc/Language/101-basics.pod618:57
¦ doc: Explain the version doesn't have to be v6 and that 6.c is also a version 18:57
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/251172317418:57
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xinming_ m: role R { has $.t }; my $x = "b" does R; $x.t.say;19:19
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «(Any)␤»19:19
xinming_ How can we init the $t in this case?19:20
with does19:20
Do we have to use $x.t = "xxx" after the $x is initialized?19:20
m: role R { has $.t is rw }; my $x = "b" does R; $x.t = "test"; $x.t.say;19:21
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «test␤»19:21
xinming_ wish to know wether it's possible to also init the vars in the does line.19:21
m: role R { has $.t }; my $x = "b" does role { has $.t = "good" }; $x.t.say;19:26
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «good␤»19:26
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xinming_ Anonymous role doesn't handle complex situations. any ideas? :-)19:26
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MasterDuke m: role R { has $.t is rw }; my $x = "b" does R(t => 3); $x.t.say19:30
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «3␤»19:30
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Zoffix m: role R { has $.t }; my $x = "b" does R(42); $x.t.say;19:30
yoleaux 14:53Z <pmurias> Zoffix: thank you for whitelisting me :)19:30
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «42␤»19:30
Zoffix xinming_: ^19:30
m: role R { has $.a; has $.b; has $.c }; my $x = "b" does R(42, 72, 31337); $x.Capture.say19:31
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «Cannot invoke this object (REPR: Uninstantiable; R)␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»19:31
Zoffix hm... I wonder how it works with multiple attrs19:31
m: role R { has $.a; has $.b; has $.c }; my $x = "b" does R([42, 72, 31337]); $x.Capture.say19:31
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «Can only supply an initialization value for a role if it has a single public attribute, but this is not the case for 'R'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»19:31
Zoffix ahhhh19:31
xinming_ Zoffix: That was what I'm about to ask too. :-)19:32
So, with multiple attrs, We can't do that. :-)19:32
Zoffix m: role R[\a,\b,\c] { has $.a = a; has $.b = b; has $.c = c; method Capture { self.Mu::Capture} }; my $x = "b" does R[42, 72, 31337]; $x.Capture.say19:33
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «\(:a(42), :b(72), :c(31337))␤»19:33
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Zoffix You can do this, as long as the variables don't vary much (each variant creates a new role or something along those lines)19:33
xinming_ m: role R { has $.t; has $.b; has $.c; }; my $x = "b" does R[1,2,3]; $x.t.say;19:34
camelia rakudo-moar a4db33e72: OUTPUT: «No appropriate parametric role variant available for 'R'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»19:34
xinming_ Zoffix: That way, We'll have to write bridge roles if these roles are from third party19:34
But thanks anyway for the hint19:34
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xinming_ I'm thinking wether I can learn all perl6 features in my life. :-)19:35
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Zoffix Do you know all the features of Chinese?19:36
Probably not. Same with Perl 6. Learning everything is a waste of time :)19:36
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xinming_ But I wish to19:38
AlexDaniel weekly: http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2018-09-16#l40319:40
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted!19:40
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AlexDaniel “This Ruby program produces a Rust program, which produces a Scala program, which produces a Scheme program, and so on, progressing through another 124 languages to return to its original state”19:42
omg19:42
“Perl 6, which bundles Zlib as standard library” what are they talking about btw?19:43
timotimo rakudo star probably19:43
AlexDaniel oh19:43
timotimo FWIW, you could also "just" output netbpm like i did for my cellular automata stuff :D19:43
AlexDaniel still can't find anything zlib-related in rakudo star19:46
I'm probably blind19:47
timotimo i also don't see it19:48
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ab6tract :( ... maybe the PHP in between Perl 6 and Piet in the graphic on the article is a hint? : https://github.com/php/php-src/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=zlib&type=20:31
timotimo d'oh20:33
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Geth ¦ whateverable: 62e5fe5ba7 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 14 files22:14
¦ whateverable: Make bots testable again 22:14
¦ whateverable:22:14
¦ whateverable: By fixing some paths that should've been fixed in22:14
¦ whateverable: d4c92b7f8e22e01161be7d9184ee473287d4ff1d.22:14
¦ whateverable: review: https://github.com/perl6/whateverable/commit/62e5fe5ba722:14
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Geth ¦ whateverable: Move some logic into Whateverable::Bisection 22:14
¦ whateverable:22:14
¦ whateverable: Also some refactoring in Bisectable.22:14
¦ whateverable: review: https://github.com/perl6/whateverable/commit/a7ddc02ac222:14
AlexDaniel ab6tract: that's hilarious then :D22:15
weekly: and they also confused PHP with Perl 6? Hmm… http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2018-09-16#l49922:15
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted!22:16
rindolf i keep missing Zoffix22:20
timotimo he keeps magically popping up when he is needed, though22:20
we just need to have hope22:20
AlexDaniel rindolf: if you need to talk to them then just say Zoffix: … … …22:23
rindolf: afaik the message will be delivered by some bot22:23
rindolf AlexDaniel: ok, nothing critical22:24
I did backups today22:27
most of my stuff is on github/etc. anyway22:27
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/574706-only-wimps-use-tape-backup-real-men-just-upload-their22:28
AlexDaniel: are you https://github.com/perl6/whateverable/commits?author=AlexDaniel ? and why does your username link not refer to the gh user page?22:31
maybe it is a gh hiccup22:31
AlexDaniel rindolf: wtf! They changed it22:32
rindolf: now you have to click on the avatar to get to the page22:33
timotimo yeah, it'll instead link to the "search all commits by this person" site22:33
AlexDaniel it used to be that you can just click the username from the commit22:33
I do agree that it is more consistent now22:33
timotimo yeah22:34
AlexDaniel these constant changes though… :)22:34
rindolf https://github.com/shlomif/fc-solve/commits?author=shlomif - here too22:34
AlexDaniel: how do i access the avatar using the keyboard?22:35
AlexDaniel rindolf: ' AlexDaniel Shift+Tab22:35
rindolf AlexDaniel: ok22:35
AlexDaniel: https://github.com/AlexDaniel22:36
AlexDaniel: thanks22:36
we both have animal avatars22:37
AlexDaniel :)22:37
only one of them looks right into your soul though :P22:37
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rindolf AlexDaniel: speaking of keyboard stuffs - have you tried this script of mine yet - https://www.shlomifish.org/Files/files/code/metacpan-arrowkeys.user.js ? I'm seeking beta testers22:39
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rindolf AlexDaniel: heh22:40
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AlexDaniel rindolf: oh… I don't use metacpan that often to be of any help, unfortunately22:41
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rindolf AlexDaniel: ah22:41
AlexDaniel but the idea totally makes sense22:41
rindolf AlexDaniel: thanks22:41
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