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2019-03-30

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pmurias m: Int < 008:16
yoleaux 28 Mar 2019 21:08Z <El_Che> pmurias: https://twitter.com/omengue/status/111137344079405875208:16
evalable6 pmurias, rakudo-moar 507c3c37e: OUTPUT: «WARNINGS for /tmp/so6TkOTPsM:␤Useless use of "<" in expression "Int < 0" in sink context (line 1)␤Use of uninitialized value of type Int in numeric context␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/so6TkOTPsM line 1␤»08:16
yoleaux 28 Mar 2019 22:54Z <MasterDuke> pmurias: have you looked at https://github.com/perl6/nqp/pull/518 and https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/2670 ? will they cause any problems for the js backend? i tried to build it to test, but still haven't been able to08:16
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Geth ¦ doc: ec2b72452f | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/setbagmix.pod608:49
¦ doc: only → multi and reflow, closes #1783 08:49
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/ec2b72452f08:49
synopsebot Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/setbagmix08:49
pmurias El_Che: a WASM+WASI future doesn't seem too good for dynamic languages08:51
jmerelo pmurias: why?08:51
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pmurias jmerelo: as of now it's heavily compiled to native languages focused and offers a simplified view of the machine09:07
jmerelo pmurias: so it's better to just use the JS virtual machine for the time being?09:07
pmurias jmerelo: I think they are working on adding gc to wasm09:08
jmerelo: hard to say how efficent the JS backend will get09:08
jmerelo: if you want to run any dynamic language like JS itself instead of Perl 6, the JS virtual machine is a ton better09:09
jmerelo pmurias: GC is like the single thing that makes it more useful for dynamic languages?09:09
pmurias GC is pretty important for dynamic languages09:11
jmerelo: you mean for js vs wasm?09:11
jmerelo jmerelo: well, in general. I have no idea what makes anything a good target for dynamic languages.09:11
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pmurias jmerelo: WASM as now mostly offers just a subset of the underlying machine instructions, it's something that MoarVM would run on09:13
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jmerelo pmurias: MoarVM or NQP? Is it better to port the underlying VM?09:14
pmurias MoarVM09:14
jmerelo: it's like targeting ARM09:14
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jmerelo pmurias: OK, cross-compilation to a particular instruction set.09:15
pmurias it's like the common question of why don't we target LLVM directly09:17
running MoarVM on WASM could work well tho09:18
jmerelo pmurias: I really have no idea. Why?09:18
pmurias because both LLVM and WASM offer just a simplified view of the CPU while higher level virtual machines like MoarVM/JVM offer a higher level abstraction with GC/JIT/an object model/etc.09:21
it that wasn't needed we could just target x86 directly without MoarVM09:21
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jmerelo pmurias: great. Nice :-) Thanks for all the explanations09:26
pmurias: BTW, did anyone contact you regarding Google Summer of Code?09:27
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pmurias jmerelo: nope09:43
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jmerelo pmurias: do spread the word through social networks if you can. We have a few candidates, but we could have (many) more. And the ellaboration of the proposal for Google takes some time.09:50
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moritz can I use the bisect bot for something that needs additional command line arguments to rakudo?10:02
timotimo moritz: usually by "run"-ing perl6 from the regular script10:12
pmurias jmerelo: do we have other candidates then the ones on the site?10:15
jmerelo: I don't really have a lot programming friend on social medial :/10:16
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Geth ¦ doc: 11e56179b2 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Signature.pod612:18
synopsebot Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/Signature12:18
Geth ¦ doc: distinguish use of "default" as adjective or noun 12:18
¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/11e56179b212:18
sshow hi! anyone here who owns camelia ?12:18
nine: ?12:19
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moritz I tend to run it12:23
tbrowder .tell timotimo i would like to use DBIish since pg and sqlite are the only rdbms i use.12:25
yoleaux tbrowder: I'll pass your message to timotimo.12:25
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andrzejku araraloren, hey12:51
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woolfy sshow: the owner of Camelia as a trademark is Larry Wall aka TimToady, well, I think he owns the trademark.12:58
sshow : He is also the boss of Perl in general, and since we are at #perl6 it seems to be applicable to say he owns Perl 6.12:59
araraloren andrzejku hey12:59
timotimo m: use Test; done12:59
yoleaux 12:25Z <tbrowder> timotimo: i would like to use DBIish since pg and sqlite are the only rdbms i use.12:59
evalable6 timotimo, rakudo-moar 47832fe1c: OUTPUT: «(exit code 1) done without supply or react␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/BVvKl3icTL line 1␤␤»12:59
woolfy sshow : if you mean the stuffed toy butterfly Camelia, than you can talk to me, I have had a thousand of them made some years ago and I still have them in stock12:59
so please, sshow, explain what you mean with "anyone here who owns camelia ?"13:00
moritz woolfy: it was about the bot13:00
the IRC evalbot named camelia, that is13:01
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timotimo why does my code get an "you planned four but ran two", followed by the remaining two tests :D13:04
moritz they seem to execute too late, so maybe promises or phasers are involved?13:05
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timotimo yeah, promises (and also tasks) are involved, as are react/whenever13:06
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timotimo put an "await" in the right spot to make it work :)13:09
hm, do we have a way to attach pod to a pointy block? does that happen?13:10
sshow woolfy: sorry about the big confusion. it was just like moritz said; a bot in this channel.13:10
timotimo m: #| Testing pod comment on pointy block␤my $foo = -> $a { say "bleh" }; say $foo.WHY; say $foo<>.WHY13:12
evalable6 timotimo, rakudo-moar 47832fe1c: OUTPUT: «Testing pod comment on pointy block␤Testing pod comment on pointy block␤»13:12
timotimo *nice*13:12
maybe Code should put pod comments into the .perl output13:12
m: #| Testing pod comment on pointy block␤my $foo = -> $a { say "bleh" }; say $foo.perl13:13
evalable6 timotimo, rakudo-moar 47832fe1c: OUTPUT: «-> $a { #`(Block|94526779556688) ... }␤»13:13
timotimo there's already that comment there for the block's id13:13
AlexDani` rkeval: say 4213:15
perlbot AlexDani`: 4213:15
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AlexDaniel rkeval: say $*PERL.compiler.version13:15
perlbot AlexDaniel: v2018.0613:15
AlexDaniel simcop2387: any chance of updating that? That's a bit too old13:16
simcop2387: btw you're going to love this, I think: https://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2019-03-29#l68713:17
they found out you can run commands, and so they killed the bot… nice :)13:18
I guess people want heavily seccomped perlbot then13:18
rkeval: say 42; say 4213:18
perlbot AlexDaniel: 42 4213:18
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timotimo m: #| Testing pod comment on pointy block␤my $foo = -> $a { say "bleh" }; sub say-why($foo) { say $foo.WHY }; say-why($foo)13:23
evalable6 timotimo, rakudo-moar 47832fe1c: OUTPUT: «Testing pod comment on pointy block␤»13:23
timotimo m: say-why #| Testing pod comment on pointy block␤-> $a { say "bleh" }; sub say-why($foo) { say $foo.WHY };13:24
evalable6 timotimo, rakudo-moar 47832fe1c: OUTPUT: «Testing pod comment on pointy block␤»13:24
timotimo m: say-why (blerp => #| Testing pod comment on pointy block␤-> $a { say "bleh" }); sub say-why($foo) { say $foo.value.WHY };13:24
evalable6 timotimo, rakudo-moar 47832fe1c: OUTPUT: «Testing pod comment on pointy block␤»13:24
timotimo i'm doing something wrong locally it seems13:24
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timotimo can y'all try installing MoarVM::Remote a few times with zef? and tell me if the tests are reliable?13:57
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woolfy moritz : oh, I missed somebody answering that...14:02
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moritz we all miss things; for me, it's mostly my sanity14:13
timotimo "of all the things i've lost / i've missed my mind the most"14:16
AlexDaniel misses camelia14:20
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timotimo releasable6: status14:47
releasable6 timotimo, Next release in ≈21 days and ≈4 hours. 0 blockers. 0 out of 136 commits logged14:47
timotimo, Details: https://gist.github.com/446d4e5fe98625c3c2df8037d4b22df814:47
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bazzaar \o perl615:33
moritz bazzaar o/15:34
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bazzaar I'm using the Rakudo Star 2019.03 RC2, no problems generally, though was hoping to install Inline::Python, but that's failing ( issue #33 ).15:42
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bazzaar Not a problem, I can switch to other tasks :-)15:45
come to think of it, I kept the previous perl6 with the module installed, so probably I can just run that instead :-)15:54
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simcop2387 AlexDaniel: yea i'll get it updated, i haven't kept up with the releases here16:11
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simcop2387 AlexDaniel: yea mine's guarded against exploits like camelia's :) let me get it updated16:12
AlexDaniel simcop2387: if we can have output formatted similarly to what camelia does, that'd be awesome too…16:13
basically \n → ␤16:13
simcop2387 yea that's doable16:15
2018.10 is latest stable?16:15
timotimo nah, we have a 19.3 or 19.3.1 maybe16:15
simcop2387 hmm, website only shows 2018.10. https://rakudo.org/files16:16
timotimo oh, that's only rakudo star, isn't it?16:17
we might only have a release candidate of that so far16:17
simcop2387 ah where should i be looking then16:17
timotimo https://rakudo.org/files/rakudo16:17
simcop2387 perfect thanks16:18
timotimo should we put a discord invite on this page? https://rakudo.org/people16:19
can i highlight discord users from irc? @here16:20
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timotimo yup, that worked fine16:20
discord6 <kerrhau> 🤔16:21
<kerrhau> @Rogue idk if that's intended16:21
timotimo https://perl6.org/community/#Getting-Involved - this also has a link to irc that could maybe have a link to discord as well16:21
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kerrhau @here16:23
discord6 <kerrhau> alright better16:23
timotimo better? it looked the same to me16:24
maybe because i had the channel open alreadyd16:24
another test for @here16:24
simcop2387 ok 2019.3.1 is configuring, should have it built and installed for you guys shortly16:25
timotimo oh, hack is not healthy at the moment16:27
waiting a moment for the timeouts16:28
that should be enough, i'll boot it up again16:29
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timotimo oh, were the others already gone?16:30
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timotimo ok, geth was already gone, and dalek probably as well16:31
dalek could perhaps be decommissioned at some point16:31
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simcop2387 perlbot: reload_plugins16:40
perlbot simcop2387: Attempting to reload plugins...16:40
simcop2387 rkeval: say $*PERL.compiler.version16:41
perlbot simcop2387: v2019.03.1␤16:41
simcop2387 AlexDaniel: thar ye be.16:41
AlexDaniel rkeval: .say for ^2016:44
perlbot AlexDaniel: 0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤6␤7␤8␤9␤10␤11␤12␤13␤14␤15␤16␤17␤18␤19␤16:44
AlexDaniel simcop2387: looks good to me16:44
rk: say 4216:44
simcop2387: can we have something shorter, too?16:44
r: say 4216:44
evalable6 AlexDaniel, rakudo-moar adba017f7: OUTPUT: «42␤»16:44
simcop2387 probably, let me get that in place16:45
AlexDaniel simcop2387: maybe r: ?16:45
I can make evalable shut up for r:16:45
simcop2387 perlbot: reload_plugins16:45
perlbot simcop2387: Attempting to reload plugins...16:45
simcop2387 r: say "Hello World"16:45
evalable6 simcop2387, rakudo-moar adba017f7: OUTPUT: «Hello World␤»16:45
perlbot simcop2387: Hello World16:45
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simcop2387 that ran the wrong perl16:46
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AlexDaniel r: say v2019.03.1␤16:46
perlbot AlexDaniel: ߣ16:46
simcop2387 perlbot: reload_plugins16:46
perlbot simcop2387: Attempting to reload plugins...16:46
simcop2387 r: say "Hello World"16:46
perlbot simcop2387: Hello World␤16:46
simcop2387 that's better16:46
AlexDaniel alright16:46
simcop2387: thank you!16:47
simcop2387 r: say $*PERL.compiler.version16:47
perlbot simcop2387: v2019.03.1␤16:47
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simcop2387 i'll try to keep up better with the new releases now that i know where to look :)16:47
timotimo cool16:47
thanks for your time :)16:47
AlexDaniel r: .chr.say for ^25516:48
perlbot AlexDaniel: ␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤ ␤␤␤ ␤ ␤ 16:49
timotimo https://perl6.org/whatever/ - i changed the text for CommaIDE, tell me what you think of it16:49
(geth didn't report the commit because hack was having issues again)16:49
AlexDaniel timotimo: no spaces around “—” ?16:49
timotimo i think that was already in the previous version16:50
AlexDaniel “Atom Perl 6 script runner,” line has an issue too…16:50
timotimo https://github.com/perl6/perl6.org/commit/8404d9811fecb861ececb0856a52e241c6f7381a#diff-4c51a0b2d414162c062bcb5ca33cac7c16:50
this is what i changed16:50
AlexDaniel please someone fix ocd triggers on that page xD16:56
reminds me of the top image on this page: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html16:56
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bazzaar_ well that works ok, I just fall back to Rakudo Star 2018.04 when wanting to use Inline::Python and matplotlib. I'm a happy customer :-)16:59
AlexDaniel bazzaar_: wait, why is there a need to do that?17:00
bazzaar_ AlexDaniel: zef install Inline::Python is failing with the 2019.03.01 RC2 (closed issue #33)17:02
AlexDaniel bazzaar_: issue #33 in which repo?17:03
tbrowder hi \o/17:03
bazzaar_ AlexDaniel: sorry, in Inline::Python repo (https://github.com/niner/Inline-Python/issues/33)17:04
AlexDaniel nine: what is this thing about? ↑17:05
tbrowder off topic, but using either module DBIish or DB:SQLite, how does one get the rowid of the last inserted row?17:07
for sqlite only17:08
timotimo does sqlite have the "returning" thing?17:08
oh17:08
https://www.sqlite.org/c3ref/last_insert_rowid.html - so we'd need this bound?17:08
tbrowder sorry17:09
i17:09
if i use the primary unique key sqlite will assign its value automatically so i think i need to know that when associating that row with other tables17:11
never mind, bad question17:12
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tony-o tbrowder: https://modules.perl6.org/dist/DB::Xoos:cpan:YNOTO/lib/DB/Xoos/Row.pm6#L14417:40
bazzaar timotimo: is the free version of Comma still in Beta? I think it's now available as Comma Community and is fully in production, the paid version is Comma Complete.17:42
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bazzaar I've said it a few days ago on here, if I was a prospective perl6 customer, I'd just ignore the 'Whatever' and 'Fun' tabbed pages, 'Whatever' would not mean anything to me.17:49
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tbrowder tony-o: thanks for the reminder, i'll check it out17:54
AlexDaniel bazzaar: I think it should be called “Tools”, please submit a PR here https://github.com/perl6/perl6.org17:54
tony-o tl;dr is you can get the last id by select last_insert_rowid();17:54
:-)17:54
bazzaar On the perl6/org 'Whatever' page, the link to zef, couldn't that be on a Modules page instead, highlighting a few tasty modules to get the customer excited and then a link to the main module search page. It all seems so abrupt the modules page as it is now.17:54
tony-o has it in there for DBIish or DB::*-ish17:55
AlexDaniel bazzaar: yeah, that makes sense I think. A pr to perl6.org and https://github.com/perl6/modules.perl6.org can do the trick17:56
bazzaar AlexDaniel: I'll have a go, I tried to suggest a bunch of changes to Rakudo.org, by raising an issue, but it never got anywhere.17:58
I'm just a newbie as far as git goes, I'd probably be better trying to put all my thoughts into an issue, rather than getting bogged down with PR's and repo's etc.18:00
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tbrowder tony-o: got it, thanks!18:25
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kybr what do people use to profile perl6 code?19:50
robertle I use perl6 --profile :)19:52
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kybr wow. nice.20:11
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timotimo kybr: if you're okay with a slightly bumpy installation process, may i interest you in checking out moarperf; read all about it on my blog: https://wakelift.de/20:36
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Geth ¦ rakudo.org: 36607d8efc | (Naoum Hankache)++ | post/announce-rakudo-star-release-2019-03.md21:15
¦ rakudo.org: Add announcment for 2019.03 21:15
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¦ rakudo.org: Signed-off-by: Naoum Hankache [email@hidden.address]21:15
¦ rakudo.org: review: https://github.com/perl6/rakudo.org/commit/36607d8efc21:15
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¦ perl6.org: Update Download page for Rakudo Star 2019.03 21:28
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¦ perl6.org: comma isn't actually a beta any more 21:29
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uzl Is there a IO::Path routine that behaves in the same manner as https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html#os.path.realpath?21:38
timotimo maybe "resolve"?21:39
Geth ¦ perl6.org: aee549b9ef | (Naoum Hankache)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | source/downloads/index.html21:39
¦ perl6.org: nbsp 21:39
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uzl timotimo: "resolve" doesn't seem to dereference symbolic links which "realpath" apparently does21:43
I'm going by this SO answer: https://stackoverflow.com/a/3786361921:44
I tried the same setup in the SO answer but `"b".IO.resolve` returns `"/home/luis/Projects/wyag/b".IO` instead of `"/home/luis/Projects/wyag/a".IO` as in the Python example.21:46
Geth ¦ rakudo.org: hankache++ created pull request #24: Update download link for macOS 21:46
¦ rakudo.org: review: https://github.com/perl6/rakudo.org/pull/2421:46
uzl I guess both methods aren't equivalent ;-).21:46
hankache Rakudo Star 2019.03 has been released (tar.gz & msi) The dmg will follow soon21:50
moritz \o/21:53
hankache hi moritz21:53
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moritz Hi hankache, I'm glad you've put all that work into the R* release. Thank you so much!22:01
hankache moritz: my pleasure :)22:02
uzl Hi moritz!22:09
moritz: Sorry to bother you but do you have any idea about this https://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2019-03-30#l516?22:10
moritz uzl: no idea, sorry22:12
uzl No problem ;-)!22:15
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¦ rakudo.org: Update download link for macOS 22:57
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AlexDaniel squashable6: next23:33
squashable6 AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 5 days and ≈12 hours (2019-04-06 UTC-14⌁UTC+12). See https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Monthly-Bug-Squash-Day23:33

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