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	2019-09-03
discord6	<theangryepicbanana> there don't happen to be llvm bindings for Perl 6, does there?	00:05
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discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> All right, peeps. Can I get a quick glance at this toy program? It's doing three different things but, I'm trying to reduce the code all the same. Any comments or critique would be fantastic. https://gist.github.com/RayMPerry/e38337cc48e389fe15796d5642871a19	00:42
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netrino	So, i've been trying out Cro and encountered a problem. The SPA framework i'm using in dev-mode produces symlinks to output directory instead of copying actual files and when i try to serve those with cro's static router such as get -> @*path { static 'frontend/dist', @path } it refuses with 403. Now, i've been looking into this issue and it seems that's because IO::Path::ChildSecure expands the symlinks and	00:56
	then checks if this is indeed a child path. Naturally, expanded path isn't, so it returns 403. Currenly, i'm using workaround doing a join of @path.join('/') and appending that to base, so `static' doesn't have to construct the path on its own, but i wonder, what are security issues that ChildSecure tries to prevent in this case? Will my workaround be dangerous in this case? Should `static' somehow vet that	00:56
	base also doesn't follow symlinks, or maybe vice versa, it sholdn't follow symlinks at all and allow them, so it wouldn't be 403?	00:56
	Sorry for so much text :D	00:56
	RaycanWhoDat i'm not an expert, but from a quick glance, while loop in your sample will only execute its body once, cause reduce will do the looping over @numbers. Also, you can use a short form $whileSum = [+] @numbers	01:04
	RaycatWhoDat*	01:04
	RaycatWhoDat: and also, fibonacci sequence can be expressed as 1, 1, * + * ... *	01:05
	m: my @fibs = 1, 1, * + * ... *; say @fibs[^10]	01:06
evalable6	netrino, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «(1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55)␤»	01:06
discord6	<theangryepicbanana> so no one answered me?	01:06
	<theangryepicbanana> ok ik what I'm doing tomorrow	01:06
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discord6	<Aearnus> @theangryepicbanana what did you ask?	02:07
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discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> Why does 1, 1, * + * ... * work?	02:22
timotimo	the ... operator has a "complex" LHS and a simple RHS; the LHS starts with a list of starting values and ends with a callable; the RHS is something that can be smart-matched against to decide a stopping condition	02:23
	* + * is equivalent to -> $a, $b { $a + $b }	02:23
	not exactly the same, but in this situation similar enough	02:23
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> Very interesting.	02:23
timotimo	the ... operator checks how many arguments that callable takes and grabs that many values from the end of the values list, which is initialized with "1, 1" in this example	02:24
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> So, in theory, is it possible to express fizzbuzz with this syntax?	02:24
timotimo	m: .say for 1, 2, -> @a { (@a.pick, @a.sum).pick } ... > 999;	02:24
evalable6	timotimo, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «1␤2␤3␤6␤12␤2␤1␤6␤2␤12␤47␤2␤96␤192␤384␤768␤6␤192␤3␤1737␤»	02:24
timotimo	just a silly sequence	02:25
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> Interesting.	02:25
timotimo	yeah, fizzbuzz would be possible with that, but since it's meant to take previous values, it'll have to look further back then just one, or have its own state in the generator function	02:26
	at that point you may be better off using xx	02:26
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> what's that	02:26
timotimo	repetition operator for creating lists	02:26
	it thunks the LHS, i.e. what's on the left of it will be evaluated multiple times	02:27
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> thunks?	02:27
	<RaycatWhoDat> Who made these words	02:28
timotimo	yeah, you know how when you call a function with something like "$a + $b" it will first calculate the result of $a + $b, and then calls the function with the result	02:28
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> Ah.	02:28
timotimo	and thunking means that instead of getting the result, the function will be called with the code	02:28
	and it can do whatever it wants with the code. run it once, run it any number of times, don't run it at all	02:28
	anyway, i'm heading out to bed	02:29
	have a good one!	02:29
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> Good night!	02:29
timotimo	o/	02:29
AlexDaniel	RaycatWhoDat: @numbers.reduce(&[+]) can be written as just [+] @numbers	02:30
astronavt	how does that work..?	02:30
AlexDaniel	astronavt: https://docs.perl6.org/language/operators#Reduction_metaoperators	02:31
astronavt	aha	02:31
AlexDaniel	I think of it as if it simply shoves + ops between the elements	02:31
	RaycatWhoDat: @numbers.tail(-1) is like uhh, simply @numbers.tail or @numbers[-1]	02:32
astronavt	AlexDaniel that's not what [] is doing inside the .reduce() though right?	02:33
	i assume &[+] is just syntax to make + something you can call .reduce on	02:33
AlexDaniel	astronavt: oh yeah, in that case &[+] is just another way of writing &infix:<+>	02:33
astronavt	thats like some kind of uncanny valley of syntax similarity	02:34
	how do i search for that	02:34
AlexDaniel	astronavt: the docs usually do a good job at figuring it out if you just type stuff in the search bar, but in this case I'm afraid &[…] syntax is simply not documented :o	02:36
astronavt	yikes	02:36
	PRs accepted?	02:36
	seems like it should be part of the sigils doc page, no?	02:36
AlexDaniel	of course!	02:36
	maybe it's better to document it on https://docs.perl6.org/language/operators	02:36
astronavt	that seems more like a reference listing all the operators	02:37
AlexDaniel	the syntax is used many times in the docs, just never explained: https://gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/f3ed89d252918c3a6de67eb9ec608de2	02:37
	astronavt: it also talks about precedence, metaops, identity, etc.	02:39
	so I think that page fits	02:39
astronavt	i cant even find the sigils doc page anyway	02:40
	i just had it a minutes ago	02:40
	this one https://docs.perl6.org/language/variables#index-entry-sigil_&	02:40
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> AlexDaniel, I'm doing @numbers.tail(*-1), not -1.	02:48
AlexDaniel	m: say <a b c d e>.tail(*-1)	02:48
evalable6	AlexDaniel, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «(b c d e)␤»	02:48
AlexDaniel	ahhh right	02:48
	sorry :)	02:48
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> No worries.	02:48
AlexDaniel	m: say <a b c d e>[1..*]	02:48
evalable6	AlexDaniel, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «(b c d e)␤»	02:48
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> I come from a Lisp background, so head and tail made more sense to me	02:49
AlexDaniel	interesting	02:49
	I have to invert my brain backwards to understand .tail(*-1) :D	02:50
	as in 1..* is kinda left to right for me	02:50
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> That makes sense. Having constructs and routines that operate on the first element and the rest of the list makes thinking about recursion super easy	02:51
AlexDaniel	m: my ($first, @rest) = <a b c d e f>[1, 1..*]; say $first; say @rest	02:52
evalable6	AlexDaniel, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «b␤[(b c d e f)]␤»	02:52
AlexDaniel	uhh	02:53
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> .flat?	02:53
AlexDaniel	I mean, we can just use := in this case, probably safely	02:54
	m: my ($first, @rest) := <a b c d e f>[1, 1..*]; say $first; say @rest	02:55
evalable6	AlexDaniel, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «b␤(b c d e f)␤»	02:55
AlexDaniel	or $	02:55
	m: my ($first, $rest) = <a b c d e f>[1, 1..*]; say $first; say $rest	02:55
evalable6	AlexDaniel, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «b␤(b c d e f)␤»	02:55
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> what does that do	02:55
AlexDaniel	binding https://docs.perl6.org/language/operators#index-entry-Binding_operator	02:55
	I guess chloekek++ can comment on using := where others typically use = :)	02:56
	.seen chloekek	02:56
tellable6	AlexDaniel, I saw chloekek 2019-08-22T20:46:28Z in #perl6: <chloekek> I've heard chicken is quite versatile	02:56
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cpan-p6	New module released to CPAN! Lazy::Static (0.0.1) by SAMGWISE	03:21
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El_Che	it would be cool if the discord6 bot would enter the channel for each user, so we could address them with "nick:" instead of "discord6: nick:"	05:20
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AlexDaniel	El_Che: so, puppeting?	05:47
El_Che	The master of puppets	05:50
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El_Che	use all the nick in mIRC war mode (yes, you're too young to get the reference :) )	05:50
AlexDaniel	well, I did use mIRC for quite some time	05:53
	and yes I was a little shit back then :)	05:53
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Geth	¦ ecosystem: 0e4d20b7c6 \| (Konstantin Narkhov)++ \| META.list	06:03
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	¦ ecosystem: https://gitlab.com/pheix/lzw-revolunet-perl6	06:03
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Xliff	How can I tell if I have data waiting in $*IN?	06:06
jmerelo	Xliff: use a tap?	06:08
tellable6	2019-09-02T21:58:25Z #perl6 <tbrowder> jjmerelo doc v2 is looking good structurally, but i wish i could launch it local	06:08
Xliff	jmerelo: I thought $*IN was IO::Handle...	06:09
jmerelo	Xliff: but IIRC you could create a supply out of any IO::Handle	06:10
Xliff	Yeah. That's what I was thinking.	06:10
jmerelo	Xliff: right: https://docs.perl6.org/type/IO::Handle#method_Supply	06:11
	.tell tbrowder what seems to be the problem? installing it or setting it up? Can we maybe talk this afternoon to get it going?	06:12
tellable6	jmerelo, I'll pass your message to tbrowder	06:12
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Xliff	m: ~^1.say	07:12
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «(exit code 1) WARNINGS for /tmp/p1d2aB6K_P:␤1␤Useless use of "~^" in expression "~^1.say" in sink context (line 1)␤prefix:<~^> NYI␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/p1d2aB6K_P line 1␤␤»	07:12
Xliff	m: +^1.say	07:12
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «WARNINGS for /tmp/W8nQW2lDyw:␤1␤Useless use of "+^" in expression "+^1.say" in sink context (line 1)␤»	07:12
Xliff	m: (+^1).say	07:12
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «-2␤»	07:12
Xliff	m: my $a = 1; $a +&= +^1); $a.say	07:13
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «(exit code 1) === SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/Ce_VjX4nwu␤Unexpected closing bracket␤at /tmp/Ce_VjX4nwu:1␤------> my $a = 1; $a +&= +^1 ⏏ ); $a.say ␤»	07:13
Xliff	m: my $a = 1; $a +&= +^1; $a.say	07:13
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «0␤»	07:13
holyghost	I am reading for making another statistical package based on statistical chaos theory. For example the chaos in a Markov Chain.	07:15
	The probabilities therein start with random variables, thus noise	07:15
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Xliff	Anybody around to proof?	07:53
	https://gist.github.com/Xliff/d426039cc162e1cb84d1b7f8067fe9fb	07:53
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Xliff	m: my %a = ( b => 3 ); .say for ^ %a<b>	08:20
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «0␤1␤2␤»	08:20
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Xliff	m: 'n-video'.substr(2).say	08:35
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «video␤»	08:35
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Xliff	m: .say for 'current-' «~« <video audio text>;	08:40
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «current-video␤current-audio␤current-text␤»	08:40
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discord6	<timotimo> @RaycatWhoDat i think .tail(*-1) is equivalent to .skip(1)	08:54
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tadzik	I think skip(1) is more likely t work for infinite lists :)	08:58
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discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> m: (1..5).skip(1).say	10:06
evalable6	RaycatWhoDat, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «(2 3 4 5)␤»	10:06
discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> Sweet	10:06
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Geth	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 115a26084f \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| solutions/language/PATH-TO-RAKU.md	10:50
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: Elaborate on IRC logging	10:50
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: review: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/commit/115a26084f	10:50
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	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: Suggest solution to .perl methods in non-core modules	10:56
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	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: *Elaborate on $RAKU and Raku class**	11:01
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	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 6b2ddf812f \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| solutions/language/PATH-TO-RAKU.md	11:04
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: Do NOT change "Perl5" where it's used	11:04
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	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 50f7697fd0 \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| solutions/language/PATH-TO-RAKU.md	11:09
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: Defer versioning discussion	11:09
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: review: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/commit/50f7697fd0	11:09
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	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: review: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/commit/998232afca	11:12
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 50c14e2157 \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| solutions/language/PATH-TO-RAKU.md	11:14
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: Mention installers	11:14
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: review: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/commit/50c14e2157	11:14
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 24fddab779 \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| solutions/language/PATH-TO-RAKU.md	11:19
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: Introduce concept of a migration guide	11:19
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: review: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/commit/24fddab779	11:19
discord6	<theangryepicbanana> @Aearnus I had asked if there were pre-existing Perl 6 bindings to the LLVM	11:20
	<theangryepicbanana> but now I have a nativecall question: how do I represent an opaque struct in Perl 6	11:21
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Geth	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 5789db03a6 \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| solutions/language/PATH-TO-RAKU.md	11:27
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: Migration guide for book authors	11:27
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: review: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/commit/5789db03a6	11:27
Xliff	RaycatWhoDat: Yeah. I just found that out, myself.	11:29
	m: ^5.tail(3).say	11:29
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «Potential difficulties:␤ Precedence of ^ is looser than method call; please parenthesiz…»	11:29
	Xliff, Full output: https://gist.github.com/17ab346bc190a9de87dc8446adbd4229	11:29
Xliff	m: (^5).tail(3).say	11:29
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «(2 3 4)␤»	11:29
Xliff	m: (^5).head(3).say	11:30
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «(0 1 2)␤»	11:30
Xliff	m: (^5).head(3).pop.say	11:30
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Xliff	m: (^5).head(3).Array.pop.say	11:30
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «2␤»	11:30
Geth	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 01efd7e39d \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| solutions/language/PATH-TO-RAKU.md	11:30
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: Follow suggestion on phrasing	11:30
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: review: https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/commit/01efd7e39d	11:30
Xliff	\o lizmat!	11:31
Geth	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 813165ea04 \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| solutions/language/PATH-TO-RAKU.md	11:33
	¦ problem-solving/path-to-raku: More phrasing suggestions followed	11:33
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Kaiepi	./t/01-monad.t .. ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /home/morfent/Documents/p6-Monad/lib/Monad/MonadPunning.pm6 (Monad::MonadPunning)	12:00
	Undeclared routine:	12:00
	require used at line 5	12:00
	wat	12:00
tadzik	:D	12:01
	to be fair I don't have it either	12:01
sena_kun	m: sub require() { 'pls god no'.say }; require;	12:01
evalable6	sena_kun, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «pls god no␤»	12:01
tadzik	is it not a routine, but a statement?	12:01
	m: require Test;	12:01
evalable6	tadzik, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «»	12:01
sena_kun	m: sub return($haha) { "pls god no $haha".say }; return 'more';	12:02
evalable6	sena_kun, rakudo-moar b380fd207: OUTPUT: «pls god no more␤»	12:02
tadzik	:>	12:02
Kaiepi	i have a line like `my $pun_meta := require Monad::ClassHOW;` that's causing this	12:02
	ohh wait	12:02
	nope, still throws the same error when it's `require ::("Monad::ClassHOW")` instead	12:03
pmurias	vrurg: I have fixed up the js backend after Makefile changes	12:03
tellable6	2019-09-02T14:07:48Z #perl6-dev <vrurg> pmurias I'll try to handle JS backend makefile on my own but most likely you'd need to fix it afterwards. Perhaps if you can take care of python2.7 requirement for a node's module I would manage with it all on my own.	12:03
tadzik	Kaiepi: I don't think require is an expression	12:06
	yeah, it's a statement	12:06
	you can't use it as something that returns a value	12:06
	when you do, rakudo thinks you're calling a function	12:06
	what are you trying to do there?	12:06
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Kaiepi	i'm trying to make it possible to pun monads (apply them to a class). the problem is i end up with a circular dependency between Monad::ClassHOW and Monad::MonadPunning unless i somehow pass the pun's HOW to it	12:12
	what i was doing there was seeing if lazily loading the modules would fix it, but it didn't	12:13
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Kaiepi	the way rakudo does this with Metamodel::RolePunning is it has a configure_punning method that's called in src/Perl6/bootstrap.c/BOOTSTRAP.nqp, but i can't figure out how to port this to perl 6	12:14
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jnthn	Just call it in the module mainline, so it's set up at load time of the moudle?	12:30
netrino	As there are seems to be more people now, maybe someone can help me with my question? https://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2019-09-03#l43	12:33
	Also, i've just encountered another issue. I'm trying to use Cro::HTTP::Client to do a web-request, a very simple one, such as Cro::HTTP::Client.get('https://google.com') but it just freezes at this line and sits like this for several minutes already. It appears that when i remove [s] from https it works instantly. Did anyone encountered similar issue? Is there a workaround? I'm using rakudo-star 2019.3.1 on	12:36
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timotimo	netrino: it could be that getting Cro::HTTP from the github repo, i.e. an unreleased version, fixes that	12:38
jnthn	Also try passing :http<1.1>	12:40
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netrino_	Thanks, i'll try that!	12:42
	Yup, :http<1.1> resolved the issue for me	12:43
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Grinnz	https://loudwire.com/maynard-james-keenan-new-tool-album-fantastic-eight-years-ago/ only took 13 years, rookies	14:34
	posting because it was a familiar release process ;)	14:35
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tyil	\o/ my docker-perl6 stuff seems to be building again https://gitlab.com/tyil/docker-perl6/-/jobs/286503031	14:44
	seems like the Configure.pl is no longer executable	14:44
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El_Che	Keenan? Sounds like the p5p guy I met at YAPCE::Amsterdam :)	15:05
Grinnz	heh. he does share 2 of his 3 names	15:06
El_Che	(or maybe it was in Brussels. I don't know, getting old)	15:07
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jmerelo	squashable6: next	15:12
squashable6	jmerelo, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 2 days and ≈12 hours (2019-09-07 UTC-12⌁UTC+20). See https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Monthly-Bug-Squash-Day	15:12
jmerelo	We're getting there!	15:12
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El_Che	AlexDaniel: I can not comment on https://github.com/perl6/problem-solving/pull/89/files/50c14e215714ba203610120ed916eaf0d7172e6c..24fddab7799f1d02e13f4a859895df997771c10b. Can you add a comment to also include p6-* repos?	15:19
AlexDaniel	El_Che: sorry, what was your github handle?	15:22
El_Che	nxadm	15:22
AlexDaniel	El_Che: can you leave a comment now?	15:22
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El_Che	let me check	15:24
lucasb	I think any p6/perl6 prefix or suffix is already implied in that idea :)	15:25
[Coke]	jmerelo: you here?	15:25
El_Che	it is, but AlexDaniel and co want practical aand explicit info :)	15:26
Geth	¦ doc: JJ assigned to antoniogamiz Issue Some pages are not linked from language.html https://github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2997	15:26
El_Che	AlexDaniel: thx, I added the comment	15:28
jmerelo	[Coke]: right	15:29
	[Coke]: at your service	15:30
[Coke]	so I think we're talking past each other on those tickets.	15:30
	You have a minute to chat here?	15:30
jmerelo	[Coke]: of course.	15:30
	jmerelo also sorry about all the problems caused. There's light at the end, though :-)	15:31
[Coke]	so, I understand you're trying to split things into two repos (docs vs. tooling)	15:31
jmerelo	[Coke]: more than that	15:31
[Coke]	but the way things are today, I start with the docs, and then while in that repo, run the tooling. So, from this standpoint, the tools are a(n undocumented) pre-req of the docs (for building the site.)	15:32
Xliff	Anybody around to proof?	15:32
[Coke]	(additionally, the previous way to run the old tools (make) was removed instead of being updated)	15:32
Xliff	https://gist.github.com/Xliff/d426039cc162e1cb84d1b7f8067fe9fb	15:32
jmerelo	[Coke]: the fact that everything was so closely coupled was causing all kinds of problem.	15:32
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jmerelo	[Coke]: it was updated. Only in a different repository.	15:33
[Coke]	so, understanding you have more steps... what is your future state here? If someone wants to build the site, what are they doing? If I knew where you were going (that is apparently different from what I'm expecting), I would be less frustrated about the current broken setup	15:33
jmerelo	[Coke]: the split is at the bottom of the roadmap.	15:33
[Coke]	jmerelo: I just told you the steps I used and how they're broken: how are you doing the builds that this isn't an issue?	15:34
jmerelo	[Coke]: The instructions are in the README.md: https://github.com/perl6/doc#building-the-html-documentation	15:34
[Coke]	I understand that Documentable is in a separate repo: that's the problem with the build step I'm trying to fix.	15:34
jmerelo	[Coke]: IIRC, with the latest (non-released) version of documentable everything was working correctly on a Mac?	15:35
[Coke]	Yes. the documentation that says to use the 'documentable' script but with no directions on how to install it. we have a way to indicate that declaratively in META6.json, which you're against, which is what I'm trying to understand/fix	15:35
	jmerelo: I never got as far as going back to do the build once I installed Pod::To::Cached by hand.	15:36
jmerelo	[Coke]: but please understand that one of the fundamental differences is that we don't intend people installing the documentation to want, or even be able, to build HTML and serve it.	15:36
[Coke]	So make it an optional prereq.	15:36
jmerelo	[Coke]: OK, I'll create an issue for that.	15:37
[Coke]	or at the worst, give instructions on how to install it as part of that section of code. (but having it declared rather than in docs is better)	15:37
jmerelo	[Coke]: right now, if you want to build the documentation you need to able to: install perl and Mojolicious. Install node. You need node even if you don't want to serve the pages.	15:37
	[Coke]: I think we'll do that.	15:38
	[Coke]: take into account that, now, node and perl are prerrequisites for building the documentation (and highlighing). That can't even be listed in META6.json	15:38
[Coke]	I understand, but I'd rather have as much as possible declared.	15:39
jmerelo	[Coke]: that's (one of the reasons) we want to split all the non-essential tooling (meaning: not needed to test the documentation)	15:40
	[Coke]: eventually, documentable will need to be listed as a dependency, since tests will depend on it. But that's further down the roadmap.	15:40
	[Coke]: (also it will be a test dependency, and all site-building tools will be split off)	15:41
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jmerelo	[Coke]: fittingly, it's got the 3k ID: https://github.com/perl6/doc/issues/3000	15:45
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Geth	¦ ecosystem/JJ-patch-6: 95fb50c84a \| (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| META.list	15:48
	¦ ecosystem/JJ-patch-6: Switches to new version	15:48
	¦ ecosystem/JJ-patch-6:	15:48
	¦ ecosystem/JJ-patch-6: This version is community-maintained as part of the perl6 repos. It also contains a new version, 0.3.5	15:48
	¦ ecosystem/JJ-patch-6: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/95fb50c84a	15:48
	¦ ecosystem: JJ++ created pull request #467: Switches to new version	15:49
	¦ ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosystem/pull/467	15:49
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Geth	¦ ecosystem: 95fb50c84a \| (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| META.list	15:52
	¦ ecosystem: Switches to new version	15:52
	¦ ecosystem:	15:52
	¦ ecosystem: This version is community-maintained as part of the perl6 repos. It also contains a new version, 0.3.5	15:52
	¦ ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/95fb50c84a	15:52
	¦ ecosystem: 1232e84e86 \| (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| META.list	15:52
	¦ ecosystem: Merge pull request #467 from perl6/JJ-patch-6	15:52
	¦ ecosystem:	15:52
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	¦ ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/1232e84e86	15:52
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Geth	¦ doc: 27490b39a1 \| (JJ Merelo)++ \| 3 files	16:17
	¦ doc: Adds detailed instructions for generating HTML	16:17
	¦ doc:	16:17
	¦ doc: Refs #3000	16:17
	¦ doc:	16:17
	¦ doc: Also eliminates some trailing whitespace (and reflow) found while testing.	16:17
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/27490b39a1	16:17
jmerelo	Anyone around can help testing instructions?	16:18
	Can someone please check https://github.com/perl6/doc#building-the-html-documentation and tell me if it works?	16:19
Geth	¦ doc: 36a9fe7adf \| (JJ Merelo)++ \| README.md	16:20
	¦ doc: Clarification about update	16:20
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/36a9fe7adf	16:20
sena_kun	No candidates found matching identity: documentable	16:21
	s/documentable/Documentable/	16:22
jmerelo	sena_kun: right. Thanks.	16:22
sena_kun	jmerelo, I am continuing with the process...	16:22
Geth	¦ doc: 4910b10c71 \| (JJ Merelo)++ \| README.md	16:23
	¦ doc: Fixes error, thanks @altaiman, refs #3000	16:23
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/4910b10c71	16:23
jmerelo	sena_kun++	16:23
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jmerelo	.tell [Coke] Can you please try the new instructions?	16:28
tellable6	jmerelo, I'll pass your message to [Coke]	16:28
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sena_kun	jmerelo, I am not sure if it can be an issue, but I see that Documentable has `Pod::To::HTML:ver<0.6.2+` in dependencies, but the version in the p6c is `Found: Pod::To::HTML:ver<0.6.2>:auth<Perl 6>`, and then zef just hangs.	16:30
[Coke]	.	16:30
	... why did tellable6 not tell me anything just there?	16:31
sena_kun	[Coke], it is smart enough to know that you are in the channel and wanted to drop the message you saw	16:31
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jmerelo	sena_kun: shouldn't that be OK? Or the + excludes the current version? Also, shouldn't it say something like "not found"?	16:32
sena_kun	the same for Perl6::TypeGraph, version is 2.1.1, but Documentable wants 2.1.1+.	16:32
	jmerelo, no idea, I just see that zef hangs. :(	16:32
	maybe it's unrelated	16:33
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jmerelo	m: say say v1.0 ~~ v1.0+;	16:36
evalable6	jmerelo, rakudo-moar 17d036ad4: OUTPUT: «True␤True␤»	16:36
jmerelo	m: say v1.0 ~~ v1.0+;	16:36
evalable6	jmerelo, rakudo-moar 17d036ad4: OUTPUT: «True␤»	16:36
sena_kun	I guess my network is crap, because `zef install Pod::Utilities" was hanging too, and now it worked	16:37
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jmerelo	The new Pod::To::Cached seems to be already available in the ecosystem	16:41
	And we're back to random test errors: https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/580318750?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=email	16:42
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Xliff	jmerelo: Pod::To::Cached is not listed as a dependency in META6.json	16:46
	Actually... it is, but tests are failing because it didn't get installed?!?	16:47
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jmerelo	Xliff: no, I think the problem is that the zef cache is not updated there.	16:54
	Xliff: however, I don't understand why the message issued by zef is not more informative... That leads to confusion.	16:56
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jmerelo	Xliff: that's why Travis, with a different configuration, did not fail https://travis-ci.org/perl6/Documentable/builds	16:57
	sena_kun was able to install Documentable	16:59
jmerelo	sena_kun++	17:00
sena_kun	jmerelo, do commands like `make assets` have to be executed from clone of doc repo?	17:00
jmerelo	sena_kun: right. Is that not clear in the docs?	17:00
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sena_kun	jmerelo, well, I was able to guess that, but giving that a lot of people contribute with a different background, I'd write it	17:01
Geth	¦ doc: 25906f2deb \| (JJ Merelo)++ \| README.md	17:01
	¦ doc: Clarify where make assets has to be run	17:01
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/25906f2deb	17:01
jmerelo	sena_kun^^^	17:02
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atroxaper	Just now I can not install Documentable - Could not find Pod::To::Cached	17:03
jmerelo	atroxaper: the new version was just released. Maybe do "zef update" and try again?	17:04
Geth	¦ doc: 6695ae7215 \| Altai-man++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) \| README.md	17:04
	¦ doc: Add clonning commands	17:04
	¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/6695ae7215	17:04
atroxaper	jmerelo: not yet I think. Do not work after zef update for now.	17:06
jmerelo	atroxaper: what does zef search Pod::To::Cached return?	17:07
atroxaper	jmerelo: 0.3.3 in local; 0.3.5 in ecosystem	17:09
jmerelo	atroxaper: so it should be able to install that...	17:09
atroxaper	Zef::Repository::Ecosystems<p6c>\|Pod::To::Cached:ver<0.3.5>:auth<finanalyst>	17:09
	Zef::Repository::LocalCache \|Pod::To::Cached:ver<0.3.3>	17:09
	jmerelo: Does auth matters?	17:10
jmerelo	atroxaper: it might...	17:11
atroxaper	sena_kun: I wrote you an email about CommaIDE bugs a couple hours ago. Please take a look ^^	17:12
sena_kun	atroxaper, writing an answer right now. :)	17:12
	sena_kun was able to successfully build docs and peek at the local website	17:15
sena_kun	Whole process has taken 545.9691593 seconds	17:16
jmerelo	sena_kun: great! That's a bit slow, though.	17:16
	sena_kun: I'm kind of mystified with the Pod::To::Cached thing. I've eliminated the "auth" field to see if it's not finding it for that reason... I just added it because comma advised me to do it.	17:17
sena_kun	jmerelo, you mean that it "kind of" caused zef to hang as I wrote before? that was a lie, it's just that my network right now is beyond horrible	17:18
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jmerelo	No, the fact that the "old" Pod::To::Cached didn't have auth, and now it does, and it seems like it's unable to find it or something...	17:19
	sena_kun: yet it's not reporting anything...	17:20
	atroxaper: can you please just install Pod::To::Cached to see which version is downloaded and installed?	17:22
atroxaper	jmerelo: 0.3.3	17:22
jmerelo	atroxaper: can you please uninstall and install it anew?	17:23
atroxaper	Sure	17:23
jmerelo	atroxaper: anyway, that version should work in Linux; 0.3.5 fixes stuff in OSx...	17:23
	atroxaper: try and install documentable after installing Pod::To::Cached...	17:24
atroxaper	jmerelo: I use a Mac actually ^^	17:24
	jmerelo: uninstall -> update -> install -> got 0.3.3	17:25
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jmerelo	atroxaper: it's maybe taking it from the local cache... which still contains it.	17:26
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atroxaper	zef install "Pod::To::Cached:ver<0.3.5>:auth<finanalyst>" -> got 0.3.3(!)	17:27
jmerelo	atroxaper: try that with --/cached?	17:27
atroxaper	jmerelo: zef install "Pod::To::Cached" --/cached -> 0.3.3	17:28
jmerelo	atroxaper: (also, maybe raise an issue with zef. I don't think this is how it should work)	17:28
	jmerelo throws hands up in despair	17:28
jmerelo	(not to mention --/cached is not documented, but mentioned in an issue)	17:29
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jmerelo	atroxaper: apparently there's a config.json for zef somewhere, which you can change to avoid local cache... Other than that...	17:30
[Coke]	jmerelo: new instructions seem fine. (noting that I haven't verified that Pod::To::Cached installs correctly, I installed that via a clone of the repo)	17:31
jmerelo	atroxaper: some tips here: https://github.com/ugexe/zef/issues/179	17:31
	[Coke]: we still have trouble with that... And I really don't understand why. See above.	17:32
	[Coke]: Thanks anyway for checking that.	17:32
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Xliff	m: '🙉'.ord.say	17:41
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar 17d036ad4: OUTPUT: «128585␤»	17:41
Xliff	m: '◒'.ord.say	17:41
evalable6	Xliff, rakudo-moar 17d036ad4: OUTPUT: «9682␤»	17:41
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atroxaper	jmerelo: created an issue https://github.com/ugexe/zef/issues/313	17:54
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jmerelo	atroxaper: thanks!	17:58
	atroxaper: the question is that the 0.3.3 version does not even have that auth field...	17:59
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discord6	<theangryepicbanana> wait it hasn't?	19:43
	<theangryepicbanana> wow it hasn't	19:44
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[Coke]	tell jmerelo yup, 'zef install Pod::To::Cached' finds 0.3.5 and then fails the tests.	19:57
	.tell jmerelo yup, 'zef install Pod::To::Cached' finds 0.3.5 and then fails the tests, still	19:57
tellable6	[Coke], I'll pass your message to jmerelo	19:57
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Juerd	What is QX (uppercase)?	20:03
sena_kun	Juerd, as in? `X` is proably cross operator, but Q is a quote, so... what's the context?	20:07
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Juerd	&Proc::QX	20:10
	It exists and someone at the hackerspace has it in old Perl 6 code	20:10
	But it's not documented, there's no roast test for it	20:10
	And it seems fully redundant with qx//	20:11
sena_kun	ah	20:11
	bisectable6, Proc::QX	20:12
bisectable6	sena_kun, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=17d036a) because on both starting points the exit code is 1	20:12
	sena_kun, bisect log: https://gist.github.com/0a0f6f950acd2af718bc1087827ea132	20:13
	sena_kun, (2017-06-07) https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/e538cbc5464447c4a0cf217119a9ff30bd74d765	20:13
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AlexDaniel	6c: Proc::QX	20:56
committable6	AlexDaniel, https://gist.github.com/2911fc7bca048df9b5a353895f167613	20:56
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discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> Weird question but is there a way to instantiate a variable with the results of a block?	22:44
	<RaycatWhoDat> Ideally, I'd like to do something like my $forSum = for @numbers { $forSum + $_ };	22:45
	<RaycatWhoDat> (invalid syntax but, bear with me)	22:45
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jnthn	my @results = do for @numbers { $forSum + $_ }	22:51
	Alternatively spelled: my @results = @numbers.map($forSum + *)	22:51
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discord6	<RaycatWhoDat> Oh, sweet. Thanks.	22:55
AlexDaniel	c: all Proc::QX	22:57
committable6	AlexDaniel, https://gist.github.com/019478421099dfe4c016f1cf941ee5ac	22:58
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